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    If Philosophy Won’t Diversify, Let’s Call It What It Really Is nyti.ms/23GFoe0

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    Bryan W. Van Norden

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    Bryan W. Van Norden

  2. hmm. Doesn't the argument here just assert as both premise and conclusion precisely what is contentious?

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  4. How would you distinguish philosophy from non-philosophy? Do we include people who (would) reject that label?

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    NTampio

    Nicholas Tampio

  5. This is not a twitter-length issue. I have a book coming out in spring 2017 that addresses this topic. But...

    Nicholas Tampio @NTampio
    How would you distinguish philosophy from non-philosophy? Do we include people who (would) reject that label?

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    Bryan W. Van Norden

    ...I would ask YOU why the Mohist state-of-nature argument to justify government authority is not philosophy...

    Nicholas Tampio @NTampio
    How would you distinguish philosophy from non-philosophy? Do we include people who (would) reject that label?

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    Bryan W. Van Norden

    ...why Zhuangzi's dream argument for skepticism is not philosophy...

    Nicholas Tampio @NTampio
    How would you distinguish philosophy from non-philosophy? Do we include people who (would) reject that label?

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    Bryan W. Van Norden

    ...why Mengzi's thought experiment to refute psychological egoism is not philosophy...

    Nicholas Tampio @NTampio
    How would you distinguish philosophy from non-philosophy? Do we include people who (would) reject that label?

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    Bryan W. Van Norden

    ...why Han Feizi's critique of forms of government that emphasize the virtue of rulers is not philosophy...

    Nicholas Tampio @NTampio
    How would you distinguish philosophy from non-philosophy? Do we include people who (would) reject that label?

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    Bryan W. Van Norden

    ...why Fazang's dialogue defending the claim that everything is defined by its relations to others is philosophy...

    Nicholas Tampio @NTampio
    How would you distinguish philosophy from non-philosophy? Do we include people who (would) reject that label?

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    Bryan W. Van Norden

    ...why Wang Yangming's claim that weakness of will is impossible is not philosophy...

    Nicholas Tampio @NTampio
    How would you distinguish philosophy from non-philosophy? Do we include people who (would) reject that label?

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    Bryan W. Van Norden

    ...whether your critique of classical Confucianism is the same as that offered by Hu Shih...

    Nicholas Tampio @NTampio
    How would you distinguish philosophy from non-philosophy? Do we include people who (would) reject that label?

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    Bryan W. Van Norden

    ....whether you think Mou Zongsan's critique of Kant is incisive...

    Nicholas Tampio @NTampio
    How would you distinguish philosophy from non-philosophy? Do we include people who (would) reject that label?

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    Bryan W. Van Norden

    ...why the argument for the equality of women given by Li Zhi is not philosophy...

    Nicholas Tampio @NTampio
    How would you distinguish philosophy from non-philosophy? Do we include people who (would) reject that label?

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    Bryan W. Van Norden

    ...and whether you agree that @HistPhilosophy is correct to treat Avicenna as a philosopher: aeon.co/ideas/what-can…

    Nicholas Tampio @NTampio
    How would you distinguish philosophy from non-philosophy? Do we include people who (would) reject that label?

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    Bryan W. Van Norden

    Here are some books to start: faculty.vassar.edu/brvannor/bibli…

    Nicholas Tampio @NTampio
    I look forward to reading. I support philosophy stretching. Here's my piece on Deleuze, Sufism muse.jhu.edu/article/509905

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    Bryan W. Van Norden

    So how is al-Ghazali NOT a philosopher, since he is engaging in a critique of Alfarabi and Avicenna? @HistPhilosophy

    Nicholas Tampio @NTampio
    100%. I don't know anybody who doubts Alfarabi, Avicenna, and Averroes are great philosophers.

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    Bryan W. Van Norden

    But in your essay in @aeonmag you classed him with Confucius as someone "unreasonable" to count as a philosopher.

    Nicholas Tampio @NTampio
    Oh, he may be, but Deliverance from Error counsels Muslims not to read philosophy.

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    Bryan W. Van Norden

    Which of Han Feizi's essays have you read?

    Nicholas Tampio @NTampio
    We have to distinguish what Han Feizi is doing from Plato. Can we learn from reading? Absolutely. But different tradition.

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    Bryan W. Van Norden

    So in other words you read one secondary work about Han Feizi that compared him to a seminal Western philosopher...

    Nicholas Tampio @NTampio
    My only exposure has been JGA Pocock's essay on Chinese philosophy. Points out affinities between Han Feizi and Machiavelli.

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    Bryan W. Van Norden

    ...and on the basis of that secondary work you concluded that Han Feizi is not a philosopher?

    Nicholas Tampio @NTampio
    My only exposure has been JGA Pocock's essay on Chinese philosophy. Points out affinities between Han Feizi and Machiavelli.

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    Bryan W. Van Norden

    Another secondary work by someone who is happy to admit that he is not a philosopher.

    Nicholas Tampio @NTampio
    My main source there is Daniel Bell's The New Confucianism (Princeton 2010). press.princeton.edu/titles/9173.ht…

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    Bryan W. Van Norden

    <irony>I don't need to read Heidegger, because I read Carnap and Russell explaining why he is wrong... 1/2

    Nicholas Tampio @NTampio
    I also read many secondary sources for this article: ptx.sagepub.com/content/42/1/1…

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    Bryan W. Van Norden

    ...and I even read Žižek, so no need to read Heidegger himself.</irony> 2/2

    Nicholas Tampio @NTampio
    I also read many secondary sources for this article: ptx.sagepub.com/content/42/1/1…

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    Bryan W. Van Norden

  6. I'm with @BryanVanNorden: it's unreasonable to say it's "unreasonable" to see Confucius or Han Feize as philosophers

    Bryan W. Van Norden @BryanVanNorden
    But in your essay in @aeonmag you classed him with Confucius as someone "unreasonable" to count as a philosopher.

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    UselessTree

    Sam Crane

  7. To add to @BryanVanNorden's conversation w/ @NTampio: Tampio offers several inconsistent conditions to justify a limited 'philosophy'

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  8. Conservatives respond to multiculturalism by calling for more study of traditional Western philosophy... 1/3

    Nicholas Tampio @NTampio
    @greend00d @BryanVanNorden My pt is that we should think about pol consequences of NYT oped, particularly regarding debates about higher ed.

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    Bryan W. Van Norden

    ...liberals respond to multiculturalism with applause and more enthusiasm for philosophy... 2/3

    Nicholas Tampio @NTampio
    @greend00d @BryanVanNorden My pt is that we should think about pol consequences of NYT oped, particularly regarding debates about higher ed.

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    Bryan W. Van Norden

    ...and either way multicultural philosophy makes the topic seem more exciting and relevant than before. 3/3

    Nicholas Tampio @NTampio
    @greend00d @BryanVanNorden My pt is that we should think about pol consequences of NYT oped, particularly regarding debates about higher ed.

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    Bryan W. Van Norden

  9. @NTampio Did Bai Juyi write sonnets?—No. Did he write poetry?—Yes. So, is "philosopher" more like "poet" or "sonneteer"?

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    Edmund Griffiths

    It seems to me that the burden of proof is on people who would say it's more like "sonneteer"

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    Edmund Griffiths

  10. @philosophybites @NTampio Greek: philein+sophia: "to love wisdom". Anyone who loves knowledge and wisdom is a philosopher.

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    ioanesrakhmat

    ioanes rakhmat

  11. Everybody should check out @BryanVanNorden schooling some fool who thinks there's been no philosophy in China.

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    EPButler

    Edward Butler