1. Exquisite Tweets from @JohnSpringford, @djmgaffneyw4, @ma_ru_ku, @yorksranter, @zatapatique, @JORISLUIJENDIJK

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    England doesn't have a collective psyche - it's horribly divided. It's like loathing Americans, or football fans. twitter.com/prospect_uk/st…

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    JohnSpringford

    John Springford

  2. @JohnSpringford The generally positive reaction that piece is getting from some Remainers makes me despair.

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    djmgaffneyw4

    Declan Gaffney

  3. @djmgaffneyw4 Yeah. Our problems are thanks to an elite rightwing insurgency, not some expression of English geist

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    JohnSpringford

    John Springford

  4. @JohnSpringford Amen. Populism narrative seems to have distracted people from fact that Brexit is (inter alia) a crisis *within* elites.

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    djmgaffneyw4

    Declan Gaffney

  5. @PreachyPreach @djmgaffneyw4 @JohnSpringford We obviously have a political crisis, but so do half the countries in the EU. Ours has gone a bit septic, admittedly.

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    @PreachyPreach @djmgaffneyw4 @JohnSpringford But I think that's bad luck/tactics/electoral systems as much as anything

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  6. @ma_ru_ku @PreachyPreach @djmgaffneyw4 @JohnSpringford Yes. Everyone else is delighted because now *their* Fuck Off Furrins referendum is forgotten

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    yorksranter

    Alex Harrowell

  7. @yorksranter @ma_ru_ku @PreachyPreach @JohnSpringford One of few views I will die in a ditch on is the utter implausibility of the idea UK is more xenophobic than your average EU member state.

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    djmgaffneyw4

    Declan Gaffney

  8. @djmgaffneyw4 @yorksranter @ma_ru_ku @PreachyPreach @JohnSpringford it's even more implausible in the case of the benchmark at hand in this case

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    zatapatique

    zatapatique

  9. @zatapatique @yorksranter @ma_ru_ku @PreachyPreach @JohnSpringford What is true is other MS differentiate much more strongly between EU & non-EU immigration, which is open to at least two interpretations.

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    djmgaffneyw4

    Declan Gaffney

    @zatapatique @yorksranter @ma_ru_ku @PreachyPreach @JohnSpringford 1: EU has much greater legitimacy in other MS than in UK or 2: 'European' identity is implicitly exclusionary. They're not incompatible alas

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    djmgaffneyw4

    Declan Gaffney

  10. @djmgaffneyw4 @zatapatique @yorksranter @ma_ru_ku @PreachyPreach And a third: that elites think some anti-immigration sentiment is worth co-opting for their own purposes, not all

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    JohnSpringford

    John Springford

  11. @djmgaffneyw4 @JohnSpringford @yorksranter @ma_ru_ku @PreachyPreach with all that said, there are things in there (media, edu, class) that I've argued myself are drivers of right-wing elite resentment

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    zatapatique

    zatapatique

    @djmgaffneyw4 @JohnSpringford @yorksranter @ma_ru_ku @PreachyPreach and therefore of ongoing tantrum, but they work better on their own IMO, x-country comparisons are a bit weird since we all hide our warts

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    zatapatique

    zatapatique

    @djmgaffneyw4 @JohnSpringford @yorksranter @ma_ru_ku @PreachyPreach an unifying theme maybe is how, compared to other MS, RW elites have managed to stoke widespread mistrust for public goods (NHS excepted)

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    zatapatique

    zatapatique

  12. @zatapatique @JohnSpringford @yorksranter @ma_ru_ku @PreachyPreach Yes, I think there's something which is now pretty deeply embedded in Anglo-Saxon political culture there.

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    djmgaffneyw4

    Declan Gaffney

  13. @djmgaffneyw4 @JohnSpringford @yorksranter @ma_ru_ku @PreachyPreach (to this EU tweep) culture of choice over trade-offs implied by public goods building explains the shock over edu practices, tabloid culture

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    zatapatique

    zatapatique

    @djmgaffneyw4 @JohnSpringford @yorksranter @ma_ru_ku @PreachyPreach and Brussels-the-antagonist as easy (or easier) sell. Open refusal of public goods trade-offs in turn feeds the "Perfidious Albion" reaction

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    zatapatique

    zatapatique

    zatapatique

    zatapatique

  14. @JohnSpringford it wasn't my headline. I'd have gone for something like 'how I came to despair of England.' Word 'loathing' colors everything that follows

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    JORISLUIJENDIJK

    Joris Luyendijk

  15. @JORISLUIJENDIJK I can see that. But you also try to define the fallen character of a society which is diverse and has various failures and successes.

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    JohnSpringford

    John Springford

  16. @JohnSpringford i do try to focus on structures first: education/ class system, tabloids. Every society is diverse and has various failures and successes.

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    JORISLUIJENDIJK

    Joris Luyendijk

  17. @JORISLUIJENDIJK I see Brexit much more as a problem on the elite right - of which tabloid editors are obviously a part.

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    JohnSpringford

    John Springford

    @JORISLUIJENDIJK If it's so deep-seated, why did people rank the EU low down on the list of their concerns before 2012?

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    JohnSpringford

    John Springford

  18. @JohnSpringford a good question. Yet, the groundwork had been laid. Was almost impossible to make the positive case for the EU.

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    JORISLUIJENDIJK

    Joris Luyendijk

  19. @JORISLUIJENDIJK I don't think so, but it's difficult to say. Referendums on the EU do seem to be impossible to win, so you might be right.

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    JohnSpringford

    John Springford