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I wonder what drove the *explosion* of JS tools such as backbone and coffeescript: better browsers, better engineers, or a tangled mix?

#1 4:47pm Jan 10th 2012 via web

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@nolancaudill I'm pretty sure coffee script was invented during a session involving a train set, mutual touching, and imitation crab meat.

#2 5:29pm Jan 10th 2012 via Twitter for Mac in reply to nolancaudill

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@nolancaudill node.js on the other hand has been a game-changer for me. I just wish I knew enough C to fix v8-profiler github.com/dannycoates/v8…

#3 5:44pm Jan 10th 2012 via Twitter for Mac in reply to nolancaudill

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@bertrandom @nolancaudill: Game-changer howso?

#4 5:47pm Jan 10th 2012 via Twitterrific for Mac in reply to bertrandom

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@waferbaby @nolancaudill Event-driven programming is useful in most systems and I never got good at twisted. Javascript I can handle.

#5 5:49pm Jan 10th 2012 via Twitter for Mac in reply to waferbaby

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@nolancaudill v8.

#6 5:51pm Jan 10th 2012 via web in reply to nolancaudill

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@ysaw So a better JS engine let us do more things - I buy that. But is the shift of templates and MVC stuff to JS also a result of that?

#7 5:59pm Jan 10th 2012 via web in reply to ysaw

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@nolancaudill @ysaw Technically dojo had templates (django-esque) and MVC through dijit way before but no one took the time to learn it

#8 6:01pm Jan 10th 2012 via Twitter for Mac in reply to nolancaudill

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@bertrandom @ysaw I remember dojo not-so-fondly. I know it got better, but it was not fun in anyway to work with at the time.

#9 6:02pm Jan 10th 2012 via web in reply to bertrandom

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@nolancaudill JS used to be too slow to do templates anyway, it really comes down to speed I think, and the rest progressed naturally.

#10 6:04pm Jan 10th 2012 via web in reply to nolancaudill

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@nolancaudill Yeah, dojo only got good when they went from 0.4 -> 0.9, much like YUI2 -> YUI3. I wish jquery hadn't won out of simplicity.

#11 6:10pm Jan 10th 2012 via Twitter for Mac in reply to nolancaudill

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@hartsell Architecture-as-amusement: an interesting design pattern. So you think a lot of the new stuff is "just because we can"?

#13 6:13pm Jan 10th 2012 via web in reply to hartsell

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@nolancaudill @hartsell Do you need any more proof than this? github.com/jterrace/js.js

#14 6:14pm Jan 10th 2012 via Twitter for Mac in reply to nolancaudill

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@nolancaudill @ysaw I’d argue that part of it is that node enticed a new group of developers to consider JS and they brought preferences.

#15 6:20pm Jan 10th 2012 via Twitter for Mac in reply to nolancaudill

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@nolancaudill Another interesting thing is that CS/Backbone/_ are all from the same man (originally). There's clout with that, plus…

#16 6:22pm Jan 10th 2012 via Twitter for Mac in reply to nolancaudill

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@bertrandom "It currently takes about 40 seconds to run print(1+1)." Blazing Fast!

#17 6:25pm Jan 10th 2012 via Twitter for Mac in reply to bertrandom

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@cjmartin @bertrandom that is some high quality wankery there

#18 6:27pm Jan 10th 2012 via Twitter for Mac in reply to cjmartin

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@dokas On my surveying of stuff last night, the same 2-3 names kept popping up, reminded me a bit of Rails coming on back in the day.

#19 6:36pm Jan 10th 2012 via web in reply to dokas

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@dokas @ysaw Absolutely agree. I love JS but before node, your main option server-side was rhino with all its JVM excess.

#20 6:37pm Jan 10th 2012 via web in reply to dokas

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@nolancaudill @dokas @ysaw ugh rhino. @chyekk and I worked on a rhino based js app server in '06.. I'll take node any day over it.

#21 11:02pm Jan 10th 2012 via Twitter for iPhone in reply to nolancaudill

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@rort @nolancaudill @dokas @ysaw Oh god yes. Especially now that dtrace can give you full on stack traces for profiling in VM code.

#22 11:15pm Jan 10th 2012 via web in reply to rort

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