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"Issues are the way *publishers* understand content, not readers." —@globalmoxie globalmoxie.com/blog/newsstand…

#1 3:08pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for Mac

@aworkinglibrary @globalmoxie Still think there's a place for issues w/ thematically-grouped and episodic content. Not *only* way, mind you…

#2 5:45pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for Mac in reply to aworkinglibrary

@stuntbox Me, too. I don't actually agree with @globalmoxie (at least not completely), but thought it interesting.

#3 5:47pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for Mac in reply to stuntbox

@stuntbox We'll be testing that idea at @Contents. Readerly issues that encourage conversation. / @aworkinglibrary @globalmoxie

#4 5:47pm Oct 27th 2011 via YoruFukurou in reply to stuntbox

@aworkinglibrary @globalmoxie @kissane The real fallacy is publishers thinking they need an app to publish issues.

#5 5:51pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for Mac in reply to aworkinglibrary

@stuntbox @aworkinglibrary I'm not especially dogmatic re issues, but bristle at *publishers'* stubbornness on daily/weekly/monthly issues.

#6 5:52pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for iPhone in reply to stuntbox

@globalmoxie @stuntbox It's entirely a workflow problem. Change is hard. Change for big, old organizations is harder.

#7 5:54pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for Mac in reply to globalmoxie

@globalmoxie @aworkinglibrary To clarify: Do you view it as a problem for publishers to release content in sets on fixed sched?

#8 5:55pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for Mac in reply to globalmoxie

@aworkinglibrary Totally. Thing is, this approach for iPad chosen to fit print workflow. Won't scale to more new platforms. @stuntbox

#9 5:58pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for iPhone in reply to aworkinglibrary

@stuntbox Sets shouldn't be a *given*. Moved away from that on web. Native digital typically more atomic. @aworkinglibrary

#10 6:00pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for iPhone in reply to stuntbox

@globalmoxie @aworkinglibrary Oh, agree *in spades* RE form factor silliness. Much is implicitly tied to them that doesn't have to be.

#11 6:01pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for Mac in reply to globalmoxie

@stuntbox Issues typically bundle content for print convenience: here's all from past 24 hrs. Thematic collection better. @aworkinglibrary

#12 6:03pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for iPhone in reply to stuntbox

@globalmoxie @stuntbox Yes to themed collections, not temporal. I want more themed collections, in fact.

#13 6:04pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for Mac in reply to globalmoxie

@globalmoxie @aworkinglibrary That's as much a function of how good the editor in charge is and how the pub's mission is defined.

#15 6:05pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for Mac in reply to globalmoxie

@fchimero Isn't there something to be said for cyclical anticipation, though? Purely from a reader's POV?

#16 6:06pm Oct 27th 2011 via YoruFukurou in reply to fchimero

@fchimero @globalmoxie @aworkinglibrary Absolutely. All models should be in play, picked for best fit w/ mission, content, readers of biz.

#18 6:09pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for Mac in reply to fchimero

@fchimero Ha! Indeed—anticipation vs. oppression. Hmm.

#19 6:10pm Oct 27th 2011 via web in reply to fchimero

@fchimero @kissane "Guilt of unread issues" vs "Anticipation of the new". Separate (but related) issues.

#20 6:11pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for Mac in reply to fchimero

@fchimero @kissane …and you have to use lemon juice and a candle to read the hidden messages.

#22 6:16pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for Mac in reply to fchimero

@fchimero Do you mean evaporating as in contents-slowly-merge-into-topical-archives or as in the-concept-fades-from-publishing? / @stuntbox

#23 6:17pm Oct 27th 2011 via YoruFukurou in reply to fchimero

@kissane @fchimero @stuntbox E.g., I want articles that sit in Instapaper for longer than, say 4 weeks, to go straight to the archive.

#24 6:18pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for Mac in reply to kissane

@fchimero @stuntbox an issue's content adds to an increasing corpus… how and when they're released should matter less in the long term.

#26 6:20pm Oct 27th 2011 via Echofon in reply to fchimero

@aworkinglibrary Decay is a kindness feature. // @kissane @fchimero @stuntbox

#27 6:20pm Oct 27th 2011 via Echofon in reply to aworkinglibrary

@fchimero @stuntbox i focus on the body of work that publications accumulate over a while, but that requires high standards for the content.

#28 6:22pm Oct 27th 2011 via Echofon in reply to fchimero

@fchimero @aworkinglibrary @kissane In douchey newsroom terms, it's the shift of an article from "breaking/timely" to "evergreen/archive".

#29 6:22pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for Mac in reply to fchimero

@stuntbox that is precisely the thing.

#30 6:23pm Oct 27th 2011 via Echofon in reply to stuntbox

@aworkinglibrary @fchimero @stuntbox All that's solid melts into archive. Topical/chrono issue conceit cld remain as unobtrusive metadata.

#31 6:24pm Oct 27th 2011 via YoruFukurou in reply to aworkinglibrary

@nickd I think that's a healthy way to think about it, but I'm not sure publications actually treat their old material as a corpus.

#32 6:24pm Oct 27th 2011 via web in reply to nickd

@irondavy most don't. mcsweeney's does. the new yorker's longer articles do. broadly, though, i think that's changing on other fronts.

#33 6:26pm Oct 27th 2011 via Echofon in reply to irondavy

@aworkinglibrary I'm all for anthology! But often that's most successful (to me as reader) when bundle comes from diff sources. @stuntbox

#34 6:27pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for iPhone in reply to aworkinglibrary

@nickd I think an interesting model is a single corpus with a blog that's used to let people know about updates. Kind of a wiki + mag.

#35 6:27pm Oct 27th 2011 via web in reply to nickd

@kissane @aworkinglibrary @fchimero And then we turn to precisely when and how. Always wanted to make a new type of archive for a news biz.

#36 6:27pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for Mac in reply to kissane

@stuntbox Adaptive based on individual reading habits, plz. #IWantAPony

#38 6:28pm Oct 27th 2011 via YoruFukurou in reply to stuntbox

@irondavy yeah, i've explored a similar model. you could make it as simple as a twitter account… update status is low-res and binary (y/n).

#39 6:28pm Oct 27th 2011 via Echofon in reply to irondavy

@kissane One infinitely elastic and learning compendium of all world news, coming right up!

#40 6:28pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for Mac in reply to kissane

@fchimero @kissane @aworkinglibrary @stuntbox And at the far end: an index.

#41 6:29pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for Mac in reply to fchimero

@kissane Hm. What about the link bet. the "chrono conceit" and the reader's notion of "value"? (I paid for 12 issues!). What replaces this?

#42 6:30pm Oct 27th 2011 via Echofon in reply to kissane

@stuntbox Go go go!

#43 6:31pm Oct 27th 2011 via YoruFukurou in reply to stuntbox

@dirtystylus Anticipation + the sense of packaging. We do so love to buy packages. I mean: bottled water.

#44 6:32pm Oct 27th 2011 via YoruFukurou in reply to dirtystylus

@dirtystylus @kissane No reason you couldn't have those past issues reassemble, if you so choose. The exploding comes from your articles...

#45 6:35pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for Mac in reply to dirtystylus

@aworkinglibrary @kissane @fchimero @stuntbox Yes! But also resurface (not just update) if I use my 'Read Later' bookmarklet on them again.

#46 6:35pm Oct 27th 2011 via web in reply to aworkinglibrary

@tealtan @dirtystylus Critically, all this stuff can be more than one thing at once. Nothing changes but the view.

#47 6:35pm Oct 27th 2011 via YoruFukurou in reply to tealtan

@dirtystylus @kissane ...being likely more useful as a reference / index.

#48 6:36pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for Mac in reply to dirtystylus

@kissane Thank you for putting it that way. As in, let the user choose the filter @tealtan

#49 6:37pm Oct 27th 2011 via Echofon in reply to kissane

@dirtystylus And re: what we talked about with sharing: dribbble.com/shots/303148-S…

#50 6:39pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for Mac in reply to dirtystylus

@kissane @nickd @fchimero @aworkinglibrary @irondavy @maxfenton @stuntbox (!)... Good convo on publishing — can this be a blog post?

#51 6:42pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for Mac in reply to kissane

@brownthings I think it's likely to be several.

#52 6:43pm Oct 27th 2011 via YoruFukurou in reply to brownthings

@brownthings i know you can make a page for it using @manton's app "tweet library": riverfold.com/software/tweet…

#53 6:44pm Oct 27th 2011 via Echofon in reply to brownthings

@tealtan Yes. You could take it further - some options could be reduced to one after I make a choice the 1st time (the Read Later one)

#54 6:46pm Oct 27th 2011 via Echofon in reply to tealtan

@kissane @brownthings Trying to gather the notes: exquisitetweets.com/collection/max…

#55 6:47pm Oct 27th 2011 via Echofon in reply to kissane

@kissane :)

#56 6:48pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for Mac in reply to kissane

@maxfenton @brownthings Got one going here as well. Waiting for trailing tentacles to finish flailing.

#57 6:48pm Oct 27th 2011 via YoruFukurou in reply to maxfenton

@nickd @manton @maxfenton — Where have these tools been all my life? Thx for these.

#58 6:48pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for Mac in reply to nickd

@fchimero Should eventually be *your* archive that can "live" where you choose & be fluidly addressable. @rogre @aworkinglibrary @stuntbox

#60 6:59pm Oct 27th 2011 via YoruFukurou in reply to fchimero

@fchimero @aworkinglibrary @rogre @stuntbox Which takes us to this conversation: bit.ly/paACtg

#61 6:59pm Oct 27th 2011 via YoruFukurou in reply to fchimero

@kissane @fchimero @rogre @stuntbox Or to @FictiveCameron's "orbital content."

#62 7:00pm Oct 27th 2011 via Twitter for Mac in reply to kissane

@aworkinglibrary @fchimero @FictiveCameron @rogre @stuntbox I think Orbital Content and Singly/Locker Project are two sides of same issue.

#64 7:11pm Oct 27th 2011 via YoruFukurou in reply to aworkinglibrary