(1/7) So apparently some (I hope very few) people online are using the fact that I am the primary developer of the eht-imaging software library (github.com/achael/eht-ima…) to launch awful and sexist attacks on my colleague and friend Katie Bouman. Stop.
(2/7) Our papers used three independent imaging software libraries (including one developed by my friend @sparse_k). While I wrote much of the code for one of these pipelines, Katie was a huge contributor to the software; it would have never worked without her contributions and
(3/7) the work of many others who wrote code, debugged, and figured out how to use the code on challenging EHT data. With a few others, Katie also developed the imaging framework that rigorously tested all three codes and shaped the entire paper (iopscience.iop.org/article/10.384…);
(4/7) as a result, this is probably the most vetted image in the history of radio interferometry. I'm thrilled Katie is getting recognition for her work and that she's inspiring people as an example of women's leadership in STEM. I'm also thrilled she's pointing
(5/7) out that this was a team effort including contributions from many junior scientists, including many women junior scientists (facebook.com/photo.php?fbid…). Together, we all make each other's work better; the number of commits doesn't tell the full story of who was indispensable.
(6/7) So while I appreciate the congratulations on a result that I worked hard on for years, if you are congratulating me because you have a sexist vendetta against Katie, please go away and reconsider your priorities in life. Otherwise, stick around -- I hope to start tweeting
(7/7) more about black holes and other subjects I am passionate about -- including space, being a gay astronomer, Ursula K. Le Guin, architecture, and musicals. Thanks for following me, and let me know if you have any questions about the EHT! 😀📡🕳️
(Also I did not write "850,000 lines of code" -- many of those "lines" tracked by github are in model files. There are about 68,000 lines in the current software, and I don't care how many of those I personally authored)
Of course she deserves credit but spinning it into a female success story is forcing a narrative on a project that many other faces including yourself deserve just as much if not more credit for. Thank you for clarifying facts but I still believe you deserve recognition
No one is saying he didn't contribute to the project. The articles I saw were just highlighting her as a woman in STEM who was a part of the team that worked on this. Katie herself has also been attacked really unfairly by sexists over this. She never claimed full credit for this
What if i don't have any vendettas, but like to poke the media with a slightly pointy stick?
Regardless, congratulations to you, Katie, and the rest of your team for this incredible work
P.S. Don't start tweeting more. Seriously. This place is a hellhole and you'll only regret it
Except what the media said was accurate despite all the groypers bitching. It says right here in the tagline of the article this idiot is bitching about that she HELPED developed this, as in, a part of a team. If she worked alone, and they were trying to say she did, why "helped"
This could be a cool case study for your work @kate_manne. It’s especially interesting when set against the background of similarly viral team discoveries that didn’t receive backlash when the media singled out a man (e.g., LIGO GWs and Kip Thorne).
I have never seen this account before, so...okay?
I can only speak for myself, and as someone who hasn't really bothered with the news - i wouldn't have learned Andrew Ghael's name if it wasn't for someone i follow tweeting this thread of his onto my timeline.
Why only eht-imaging and SMILI in the end? Five other models were started or advanced under EHT grants. To what extent, if any, does Honma, Bouman, Ikeda, Johnson, and Kuramochi underlie development of the two forward models ultimately used? Will they debut in the future?
I 💜 astrophysicists, esp. gay ones. Thx for setting the record straight in a definitive, passionate way. I do historical research on women scientists in early U.S space program. In mid-20th c. U.S., few rec'd public accolades. Attention Bouman is getting today is a sea change.💜
...When did i say that there were such articles? You're asking me to prove a point that i never made.
Again, as someone who didn't bother with this subject, my only two memories of this would've been A)a photo of a donut, and B)A photo of Katie Bouman with the drives.
Still you have to admit that if we are here talking about this is because of the media attention to her. It's all over the internet and so fabricated and so one sided of the story that it is little annoying. It's not her fault, she only did her job. The media is brouhahaing this
May I ask which quote? I'm a big fan of Always Coming Home. I married the one guy I found who had the book+tape boxed set. (Bonus: Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds.) It was accidental, sure, but it was still a sign. (You're tired of black hole questions, right?😉)
That's the thing: Katie has insisted from the start it was a team effort. A lot of media are trying to make it sound like she did it single-handedly which she has been refuting. I hate seeing your and her careers used as political ping-pong balls.
“She wept in pain, because she was free. What she had begun to learn was the weight of liberty.
Freedom is a heavy load, a great and strange burden for the spirit to undertake. It is not easy. It
is not a gift given, but a choice made, and the choice may be a hard one."
from the Tombs of Atuan....and I also have an extended discussion on light as the left hand of darkness as a metaphor for black hole images in the introduction. Possibly too much, but no one has stopped me :p
i'm a feminist who is very angry when innnocent men are unfairly accused. Also, in the video clip I saw earlier featuring Katie, damn, it should have included acknowledgment of *all* team members. This is my opinion. The video "featured" Katie as the sole engineer, obv wrong.
No single person "invented" the code. Did you read? It was a team effort. This would not have been possible without people working together for the common pursuit of a better understanding of our universe.
I watched Katie's Ted Talk. Two things I loved: 1) she did what I want to see more in talks: highlighting that this is an international team effort. 2) Her contagious enthusiasm and nerding out about science and algorithms. Thank you for such inspiring work!
Katie doesn't even want to be in the spotlight like this from what I've read. There are outlets that are possibly making it sound like a lone wolf effort which is not the case, but to try and rile up someone against their own team member like people have been trying to do is low.
Thanks! I think there’s a more nuanced discourse to be had over the (instrumental) value of assigning a human face to scientific discoveries such that the public can better relate to them—conditioned on the unequal representation of a team. But that’d be a paper length project!
The nobel prize is always given to the head of the team instead of the entire team. So it looks like ONE person did all the work, even though it was a team effort, like most science is today.
If she ever gets a prize for her work noone else will be mentioned in the news reports
Eee! Women scientists! Gay scientists! Other scientists! You all deserve respect, and Katie deserves virtually every accolade she's gotten. This isn't taking away from men. It's a supreme example of how beautiful it is to work together. Keep it up!
I think most of the outrage, is against the media, not against her. The team deserves all the credits and everyone is very talented. The hate goes against that „agenda“ bullshit of feminism. Woman are great and Man are great!
If you search #katiebouman on twitter there are literally hundreds, if not thousands of tweets giving her the primary credit for a project which involved 200+ people from more than 20+ countries. This is equivalent to giving Einstein credit for e=MC2, instead of Olinto De Pretto
And this tweet is where a huge chunk of the people using you to attack her will suddenly switch to attacking both of you, because what they actually care about is hate mongering. Both of you, don't let them get to you and keep up the great work!
You're all amazing and thank you all for your hard work. Remove one cog and none of it works. Being able to see that picture is amazing. I feel like it's my equivalent to getting to watch the Apollo 11 landing. It's that important and that special. So thank you all
Exactly! Many people don't get the importance of team work in science, or in most anything really. It is sure nice to be first or last author of a research paper, but without other collaborators there will be no discovery.