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    (1/7) So apparently some (I hope very few) people online are using the fact that I am the primary developer of the eht-imaging software library (github.com/achael/eht-ima…) to launch awful and sexist attacks on my colleague and friend Katie Bouman. Stop.

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    thisgreyspirit

    Andrew Chael

    (2/7) Our papers used three independent imaging software libraries (including one developed by my friend @sparse_k). While I wrote much of the code for one of these pipelines, Katie was a huge contributor to the software; it would have never worked without her contributions and

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    thisgreyspirit

    Andrew Chael

    (3/7) the work of many others who wrote code, debugged, and figured out how to use the code on challenging EHT data. With a few others, Katie also developed the imaging framework that rigorously tested all three codes and shaped the entire paper (iopscience.iop.org/article/10.384…);

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    thisgreyspirit

    Andrew Chael

    (4/7) as a result, this is probably the most vetted image in the history of radio interferometry. I'm thrilled Katie is getting recognition for her work and that she's inspiring people as an example of women's leadership in STEM. I'm also thrilled she's pointing

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    thisgreyspirit

    Andrew Chael

    (5/7) out that this was a team effort including contributions from many junior scientists, including many women junior scientists (facebook.com/photo.php?fbid…). Together, we all make each other's work better; the number of commits doesn't tell the full story of who was indispensable.

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    thisgreyspirit

    Andrew Chael

    (6/7) So while I appreciate the congratulations on a result that I worked hard on for years, if you are congratulating me because you have a sexist vendetta against Katie, please go away and reconsider your priorities in life. Otherwise, stick around -- I hope to start tweeting

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    thisgreyspirit

    Andrew Chael

    (7/7) more about black holes and other subjects I am passionate about -- including space, being a gay astronomer, Ursula K. Le Guin, architecture, and musicals. Thanks for following me, and let me know if you have any questions about the EHT! 😀📡🕳️

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    thisgreyspirit

    Andrew Chael

    (Also I did not write "850,000 lines of code" -- many of those "lines" tracked by github are in model files. There are about 68,000 lines in the current software, and I don't care how many of those I personally authored)

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    thisgreyspirit

    Andrew Chael

  2. Of course she deserves credit but spinning it into a female success story is forcing a narrative on a project that many other faces including yourself deserve just as much if not more credit for. Thank you for clarifying facts but I still believe you deserve recognition

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    Triston_Bowman

    Triston Lee

  3. I know, it's weird that someone decided to take our picture when we were just checking the weather!

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    thisgreyspirit

    Andrew Chael

  4. Missing tweet: 1116529645279641600

  5. gotta know if it's gonna rain, maybe read a horoscope

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    DownHereOnEarth

    Leah Crane

  6. Knew it was bullshit as soon as they were talking about "lines of code" as though that meant something. I think one idiot was even counting "codes" lol.

    Also the sexism.

    Great job to all who worked on this.

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    jpterracina

    John Terracina

  7. No one is saying he didn't contribute to the project. The articles I saw were just highlighting her as a woman in STEM who was a part of the team that worked on this. Katie herself has also been attacked really unfairly by sexists over this. She never claimed full credit for this

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    RantingF

    Claudia the Wine Aunt

  8. google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.…
    Multiple articles are spinning it to sound like she alone did this. Everyone deserves credit and pushing the idea she alone did it is in itself, sexist

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    Triston_Bowman

    Triston Lee

  9. What if i don't have any vendettas, but like to poke the media with a slightly pointy stick?
    Regardless, congratulations to you, Katie, and the rest of your team for this incredible work
    P.S. Don't start tweeting more. Seriously. This place is a hellhole and you'll only regret it

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    Sulfur012

    Sulfur

  10. Except what the media said was accurate despite all the groypers bitching. It says right here in the tagline of the article this idiot is bitching about that she HELPED developed this, as in, a part of a team. If she worked alone, and they were trying to say she did, why "helped"

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    RantingF

    Claudia the Wine Aunt

  11. This could be a cool case study for your work @kate_manne. It’s especially interesting when set against the background of similarly viral team discoveries that didn’t receive backlash when the media singled out a man (e.g., LIGO GWs and Kip Thorne).

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    litgenstein

    Zach Kim

  12. I have never seen this account before, so...okay?
    I can only speak for myself, and as someone who hasn't really bothered with the news - i wouldn't have learned Andrew Ghael's name if it wasn't for someone i follow tweeting this thread of his onto my timeline.

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    Sulfur012

    Sulfur

  13. Can you find me some articles which credit Katie as the sole developer of this software? Please. I really want to see them.

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    RantingF

    Claudia the Wine Aunt

  14. Why only eht-imaging and SMILI in the end? Five other models were started or advanced under EHT grants. To what extent, if any, does Honma, Bouman, Ikeda, Johnson, and Kuramochi underlie development of the two forward models ultimately used? Will they debut in the future?

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    prezcannady

    Prez Cannady

  15. EcologyOrDie

    Torrey Wenger

  16. And just to take a stab at the answer, is it because eht-imaging and SMILI were the easiest to distribute by the time it came to crunch?

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    prezcannady

    Prez Cannady

  17. I 💜 astrophysicists, esp. gay ones. Thx for setting the record straight in a definitive, passionate way. I do historical research on women scientists in early U.S space program. In mid-20th c. U.S., few rec'd public accolades. Attention Bouman is getting today is a sea change.💜

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    clancynewyork

    Eileen Clancy

  18. ...When did i say that there were such articles? You're asking me to prove a point that i never made.
    Again, as someone who didn't bother with this subject, my only two memories of this would've been A)a photo of a donut, and B)A photo of Katie Bouman with the drives.

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    Sulfur012

    Sulfur

  19. Until yesterday, opening my thesis with a Le Guin quote was the highlight of my scientific career tbh 😂

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    thisgreyspirit

    Andrew Chael

  20. Still you have to admit that if we are here talking about this is because of the media attention to her. It's all over the internet and so fabricated and so one sided of the story that it is little annoying. It's not her fault, she only did her job. The media is brouhahaing this

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    Jess_WSA

    Jesse M. 🗺

  21. May I ask which quote? I'm a big fan of Always Coming Home. I married the one guy I found who had the book+tape boxed set. (Bonus: Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds.) It was accidental, sure, but it was still a sign. (You're tired of black hole questions, right?😉)

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    EcologyOrDie

    Torrey Wenger

  22. I just wanted to say that it’s great seeing you address the crap being spewed, and that everyone that worked on this project is awesome including Dr. Bouman.
    Please keep advancing our knowledge.

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    whereIsTheSpai

    Altytwo Altryness, BS

  23. Anyone who counts lines of code written is out of touch with today’s development practices.

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    erikakers

    Erik Akers

  24. “Measuring programming progress by lines of code is like measuring aircraft building progress by weight.”

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    thethrum

    thethrum

  25. That's the thing: Katie has insisted from the start it was a team effort. A lot of media are trying to make it sound like she did it single-handedly which she has been refuting. I hate seeing your and her careers used as political ping-pong balls.

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    brain_with

    Brain Science with Victor

  26. DUDE, you had me at 'gay astronomer' - Ursula was just a fricking cherry and architecture was plum cranberry sauce on top of it!

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    PatchouliW

    Random Farm Animal And/Or Relative of Devin Nunes

  27. “She wept in pain, because she was free. What she had begun to learn was the weight of liberty.
    Freedom is a heavy load, a great and strange burden for the spirit to undertake. It is not easy. It
    is not a gift given, but a choice made, and the choice may be a hard one."

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    thisgreyspirit

    Andrew Chael

    from the Tombs of Atuan....and I also have an extended discussion on light as the left hand of darkness as a metaphor for black hole images in the introduction. Possibly too much, but no one has stopped me :p

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    thisgreyspirit

    Andrew Chael

  28. i'm a feminist who is very angry when innnocent men are unfairly accused. Also, in the video clip I saw earlier featuring Katie, damn, it should have included acknowledgment of *all* team members. This is my opinion. The video "featured" Katie as the sole engineer, obv wrong.

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    securitybrew

    Kate Brew

  29. What a soy boi, so if i wrote a single line, i can call the project mine? Like i was the inventor? None denied the colaboration of your friend Katie, people are just saying shes didnt invent the code

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    eldonte09

    Eldonte09

  30. & this is why you're my hero. 💖 (My book group likes Le Guin but we haven't read or discussed her.) Anyways, have fun with all the amazing craziness. & also congrats!

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    EcologyOrDie

    Torrey Wenger

  31. I realize this also will not be acknowledged. I speak my mind, and this situation really pisses me off.

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    securitybrew

    Kate Brew

  32. Thank you Andrew for your great and substantial work in *checks git blame* Adds model files and *digs deeper* Updates generated assets

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    grrowl

    me, an internetual

    But honestly, this was really well said and you’re a stellar human. Thanks to you and everyone involved

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    grrowl

    me, an internetual

  33. Not a fan of people, male or female, taking credit for the work of a team.

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    securitybrew

    Kate Brew

  34. If these ppl knew anything about most software, they'd know it takes good TEAM of ppl working together to make it happen.

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    limit_unknown

    Limit Unknown

  35. No single person "invented" the code. Did you read? It was a team effort. This would not have been possible without people working together for the common pursuit of a better understanding of our universe.

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    AFunkyFest

    Funkyyyy

  36. I suspect if these ppl had anything to be proud of they wouldn't be wasting time trying to tear someone else down.

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    limit_unknown

    Limit Unknown

  37. *Me, meeting a group of nobel prize winning mathematicians*: "So, uh, you dorks just like, wrote down a bunch of numbers and shit and now you think you're all special, huh?"

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    IanKropo

    Eli Estuary. 🥔🥔💩🏴

  38. I watched Katie's Ted Talk. Two things I loved: 1) she did what I want to see more in talks: highlighting that this is an international team effort. 2) Her contagious enthusiasm and nerding out about science and algorithms. Thank you for such inspiring work!

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    kneyugn

    Kim Nguyen

  39. So why every media outlet credit her and only her? News says KATIE INVENTED STUFF ITS ALL HER instead of TEAM MAKES POSSIBLE A BLACK HOLE PHOTO ir something like that

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    eldonte09

    Eldonte09

  40. Katie doesn't even want to be in the spotlight like this from what I've read. There are outlets that are possibly making it sound like a lone wolf effort which is not the case, but to try and rile up someone against their own team member like people have been trying to do is low.

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    AFunkyFest

    Funkyyyy

  41. Thanks! I think there’s a more nuanced discourse to be had over the (instrumental) value of assigning a human face to scientific discoveries such that the public can better relate to them—conditioned on the unequal representation of a team. But that’d be a paper length project!

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    litgenstein

    Zach Kim

  42. I do appreciate when people like @R2DWU announce how shallow and sociopathic they are though.

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    vlasicliberal

    Vlasic Liberal

  43. quephird

    Dr. Rey Trae Surr is rendering in Connecticut

  44. The nobel prize is always given to the head of the team instead of the entire team. So it looks like ONE person did all the work, even though it was a team effort, like most science is today.
    If she ever gets a prize for her work noone else will be mentioned in the news reports

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    BlaBluebBlib79

    BlaBluebBlib79

  45. It's unbelievable.. a woman's face shows up for a great achievement and these people find it to be a great theft from men.

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    ShawnMcCool

    Shawn McCool

  46. Yeah - they're from the 1950s in more than just klocs - also the sexism.

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    xinit0

    Richard Murray

  47. Maybe you should aim that slightly pointy stick at your own brain then.

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    ortwinr

    Ortwin

  48. Eee! Women scientists! Gay scientists! Other scientists! You all deserve respect, and Katie deserves virtually every accolade she's gotten. This isn't taking away from men. It's a supreme example of how beautiful it is to work together. Keep it up!

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    JayDee_Anderson

    JD Anderson

  49. I think most of the outrage, is against the media, not against her. The team deserves all the credits and everyone is very talented. The hate goes against that „agenda“ bullshit of feminism. Woman are great and Man are great!

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  50. Quite. You want more lines of code ? I’ll give you more lines of code.

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    Ken_J_Murray

    Ken Murray

  51. Missing tweet: 1116614406274576384

  52. Most people see it as a theft from the rest of the team regardless of their gender. Not that difficult to understand.

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    tits_rater

    lil soff block $1000

  53. If you search #katiebouman on twitter there are literally hundreds, if not thousands of tweets giving her the primary credit for a project which involved 200+ people from more than 20+ countries. This is equivalent to giving Einstein credit for e=MC2, instead of Olinto De Pretto

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    Krypto_Junky

    CryptoCurrency Junky

  54. What are the names of the three imaging libraries? I fancy taking a look at them, thanks! You mention Sparke_K, yours is EHT, and there's another?

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    MaxGoldrush

    Christopher

  55. This highlights a most important part of science; trying to disprove your own work, before some random reviewer rip your paper apart.

    As a programmer, I know how hard it is to write code that challenges my own work. Kudos to all involved.

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    johanges

    Johan™ Strandberg

  56. And this tweet is where a huge chunk of the people using you to attack her will suddenly switch to attacking both of you, because what they actually care about is hate mongering. Both of you, don't let them get to you and keep up the great work!

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    PenquinDude

    Skullvin Spinefors

  57. Missing tweet: 1116637806091218944

  58. Well. If you listen to this interview you would hear her say we every time. youtu.be/IW5H4-eJrqI. If you listen to her Ted talk she a pacifically says that she can’t do this alone without her team.

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    Eamz52

    Evelyn The crazy cat lady

  59. Under a constant psychological assault of stupid these days, your combined towering achievement of brilliance is amazing and provides such great hope. Congrats and thank you!

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    ericgarland

    Eric Garland

  60. The Nobel Prize isn't awarded for theoretical work. The Nobel is awarded for things that immediately help humanity. The Black Hole image is nice, but it doesn't lower the price of gasoline.

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    brain_with

    Brain Science with Victor

  61. It would never have worked without all contributes, so far everyone has been told it was one person.

    I've only just discovered that yiu were involved, you have said that LOTS of people are involved.

    Their names should also be mentioned.

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    F1tzy79

    JohnPaul Fitzpatrick

  62. Yeah, the moment you mentioned Ursula K. Le Guin I knew you were part of my tribe.

    Thank you for your contributions to this amazing scientific feat.

    Katie /should/ inspire people.

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    Blaise_Corvin

    BlaiseCorvin

  63. 5 tweets before you showed that! Good with black hole algorithms!

    Yet went on a rant because others didn't want to.

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    F1tzy79

    JohnPaul Fitzpatrick

  64. ^Iconic photo^. Truly one for the history books. Fun, cool tone. Love it!!

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    xnrock

    Diana Tyler

  65. You're all amazing and thank you all for your hard work. Remove one cog and none of it works. Being able to see that picture is amazing. I feel like it's my equivalent to getting to watch the Apollo 11 landing. It's that important and that special. So thank you all

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    StarrryNight25

    Starry Night🌙

  66. Wow, coding is way easier than I thought it was. I think even I could do that.

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  67. This is the case with almost every scientific finding or event that reaches the lay press. The principal investigator does the talking.

    And the press oversimplifies it. "The man behind this", "scientist does that". The fact that you are *only now* bothered by it is significant.

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    ox2si

    Buzz Alderaan

  68. STEAM, not STEM. It it Science, Tech, Arts, Engineering, Maths

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  69. Exactly! Many people don't get the importance of team work in science, or in most anything really. It is sure nice to be first or last author of a research paper, but without other collaborators there will be no discovery.

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    anh_n_tran

    Anh Tran

  70. Big ups to you, Andrew. Congrats to everyone who contributed. Really exciting stuff.

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    wafflepop

    Scott Kraft