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    PreoccupationsCollected by Preoccupations

    Not acceding to unreasonable or impossible or illegal requests is not the same thing as imposing a humiliating divorce deal...I wish the EU could impose a (non-humiliating and mutually beneficial) divorce deal, but it can't impose anything on the UK.

    theguardian.com/commentisfree/…

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    kevinhorourke

    Kevin Hjortshøj O'Rourke

  2. Garton Ash should know better but he's always been prone to overestimating the UK's power and influence. A chronic problem among UK politicians and public intellectuals that dominated the Blair years

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    APHClarkson

    Alexander Clarkson

    Remarkable how UK exceptionalism has a grip on the the UK political and intellectual elite. Garton Ash should know full well that there are steps the UK needs to take to gain EU flexibility. Does a pro-European demand risking the cohesion of the EU system?
    theguardian.com/commentisfree/…

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    APHClarkson

    Alexander Clarkson

    Garton Ash inadvertently provides another reason why it's in the EU's interest to exclude the UK from full membership. If even prominent Remainers cannot accept the existential necessity of defending the integrity of the EU system then the UK is unable to play a constructive role

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    APHClarkson

    Alexander Clarkson

    This Garton Ash piece is one among many that confirms that inability to accept the asymmetry of power between the EU and UK is shared by many Remainers with many Brexiters. By making impossible demands it is UK political elites that have made "Weimar Britain" a possibility

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    APHClarkson

    Alexander Clarkson

    Never mind the fact that comparing possible agreements between the UK and EU with the Treaty of Versailles feeds the talking points of a potentially violent radical Right fringe in ways Garton Ash may come to regret

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    APHClarkson

    Alexander Clarkson

    I think the framing of the piece borders on absurdity. He is comparing the collapse of a state through the after effects of devastating war with the UK's self-inflicted predicament. And the demands for EU flexibility come across as the usual UK exceptionalism

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    APHClarkson

    Alexander Clarkson

  3. I’ve read the Timothy Garton Ash piece (theguardian.com/commentisfree/…) twice. Maybe it’s the heat, but I don’t understand the logic by which the EU27 should break the single market for a third country simply because Britain doesn’t want freedom of movement for people?

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    AlbertoNardelli

    Alberto Nardelli

    The EU27 aren’t punishing the UK. Britain has chosen to leave. Britain has set its red lines. And both these decisions have consequences. These consequences are called Brexit.

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    AlbertoNardelli

    Alberto Nardelli

  4. Because they have done it before, for Switzerland, and because the alternative would be bad for everyone.

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    pietercleppe

    Pieter Cleppe

  5. Yes, but in fairness, Switzerland does have a bespoke deal with the EU (actually, multiple bespoke deals). The terms of the deals equal the relationship Barnier's famous chart, but in theory it doesn't have to.

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    SpiegelPeter

    Peter Spiegel

  6. UK: “Brexit means Brexit!”
    EU27: “What does that mean?”
    UK: “Brexit means Brexit!”
    EU27: “Alright then, Brexit means Brexit”
    UK: “How punitive! Destroy your core principles or we’ll go full Weimar and it will all be your fault.” amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/…

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    wblau

    Wolfgang Blau

  7. They do, but they’re in EFTA, and in effect have free movement etc. I think most deals are by nature bespoke but core issue with UK approach is they want to split 4 freedoms

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    AlbertoNardelli

    Alberto Nardelli

  8. Also since the Swiss tried to revise the basic terms of their FoM commitments after the 2014 referendum the EU has beem turning the screw to get Bern to adhere more closely to the EU system

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    APHClarkson

    Alexander Clarkson

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  11. The UK is now discovering what the Swiss had to accept some time ago: The EU does not care about your complicated domestic politics when it is negotiating with you.

    Mathieu von Rohr @
    Timothy Garton Ash:
    The EU must not impose a punitive exit agreement on the UK. The fallout from a resentful nation would be felt throughout the continent theguardian.com/commentisfree/…

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    mathieuvonrohr

    Mathieu von Rohr

  12. Can't bear to point out basic flaw in warning EU about risk of 'a rancid, angry Britain: a society riven by domestic divisions and economic difficulties, let down by its ruling classes, fetid with humiliation and resentment.'theguardian.com/commentisfree/…

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    djmgaffneyw4

    Declan Gaffney

  13. Amazing from TGA! EU 27 responsible for crazy Brexit? Well before the referendum it was clear a Brexit will finish for the U.K. either in accepting Norway model or Canada ++ FTA...now EU should give best part of SM without other obligations otherwise EU responsible for no deal !?

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    piris_jc

    Jean-Claude PIRIS

  14. A piece that will manage to both alienate most readers from EU27 states that will come across it while feeding talking points to an increasingly violent UK radical Right. How is it pro-European to demand that the EU risk undermining the integrity of its system?

    Timothy Garton Ash @
    I use a deliberately (melo)dramatic image - Weimar Britain! - to get EU27 leaders to focus on the strategic risk of Brexit (altogether) & a mishandled Brexit in particular: bit.ly/2LuQGoo

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    APHClarkson

    Alexander Clarkson

    Such a counter-productive piece has been authored by someone who has regular contact with EU27 elites. That even TGA can't face the existential necessity for the EU to be tough is a sign that perhaps it is better for the UK to be excluded from membership
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    Timothy Garton Ash @
    I use a deliberately (melo)dramatic image - Weimar Britain! - to get EU27 leaders to focus on the strategic risk of Brexit (altogether) & a mishandled Brexit in particular: bit.ly/2LuQGoo

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    APHClarkson

    Alexander Clarkson

  15. Even some of the most ardent Remainers in the UK do not understand the EU and its spirit. Freedom of movement lies at the heart of the EU project. It is meant to ensure that ‘people’ are more important than ‘territory.’ Introduced also to avoid a return to territorial conquest.

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    dsagramoso

    Domitilla Sagramoso