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    OK, can someone explain to me what it is about the deal that Remainers particularly hate? It isn't remaining of course, and you would prefer to remain. Fine. But if the UK is leaving, then what is so loathsome about this deal?

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    kevinhorourke

    Kevin Hjortshøj O'Rourke

    It is the fact that it is a ‘blind Brexit’, for example? But there was never going to be a deal that spelled out what the new future relationship would be, since that was only ever going to be negotiated after Brexit.

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    kevinhorourke

    Kevin Hjortshøj O'Rourke

    Is it the Northern Irish backstop, also loathed by Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg? But given that people like that are so prominent in the British political scene, there was never going to be a Withdrawal Agreement that didn’t include the backstop.

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    Kevin Hjortshøj O'Rourke

    Is it the fact that the backstop includes a UK-wide customs union? From a Remainer point of view, is that not a plus?

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    Kevin Hjortshøj O'Rourke

    Is it the fact that the Political Declaration rules out free movement? Fair enough, but it is clear that the nature of the future relationship can evolve. Nothing is ruled out so long as EU red lines are respected.

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    kevinhorourke

    Kevin Hjortshøj O'Rourke

    Is it the fact that you would prefer Norway plus? Again, fair enough. See previous tweet.

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    Kevin Hjortshøj O'Rourke

    It is presumably not the fact that the Withdrawal Agreement guarantees a transition period up to the end of 2020, and maybe even up to the end of 2022. Again, from a Remainer view, is that not a plus?

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    kevinhorourke

    Kevin Hjortshøj O'Rourke

    I get that remainers want to remain, and I respect that, and I get that voting down the deal is a necessary first step towards getting what you want. But if the UK is leaving, it’s hard to see how it could ever get a ‘better deal’. Especially since this is just the divorce deal.

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    kevinhorourke

    Kevin Hjortshøj O'Rourke

    But then wouldn't it just be more honest to say you prefer remaining to leaving, rather than bashing a perfectly reasonable divorce deal?

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    Kevin Hjortshøj O'Rourke

    If a consensus emerges that the UK should remain, brilliant. But I admit that I'm worried that there's so much vitriol being hurled at the deal that people may end up concluding that if the UK is to leave, then no deal would be better than this deal.

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    kevinhorourke

    Kevin Hjortshøj O'Rourke

    Finally let me just acknowledge that as an Irishman it's easy for me to raise these questions. My country's interests are at stake but my identity as a European is not, and I get (I think) how personal this is for so many.

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    kevinhorourke

    Kevin Hjortshøj O'Rourke

    I ask these questions because I'm genuinely curious. So let me end (since I need to get off the computer) with another: if the PD were changed to get rid of the freedom of movement & independent trade policy red lines so as to signal a more Norwegian destination would that help?

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    kevinhorourke

    Kevin Hjortshøj O'Rourke

  2. I can't speak for all Remainers, but you are right about the Deal. The point is that it is many Leavers who do not like the Deal, and this illustrates the fallacy of Brexit: many people voted for a fantasy, and do not like the reality. There is therefore no real mandate to leave.

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    sjwrenlewis

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