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    are there any good resources in how to develop good UX for open-source projects? Working code is valid or not, but designs are never "done"

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    Andrew Turner

  2. @ajturner do you have a favorite open-source project with a good interface not designed by a company? purely community?

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    wonderchook

    Kate Chapman πŸ₯

  3. @wonderchook see discussion from Mike's blog and the numerous attempts on an improved User page. Great ideas, but is it just "code wins"?

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    Andrew Turner

  4. @ajturner @wonderchook design by committee rarely works. Someone needs to decide and be trusted to do the right thing.

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    huslage

    Aaron "Get a Vaccine" Huslage

  5. @ajturner @wonderchook Might be code wins now, but it's incremental changes towards something better (or at least different).

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    iandees

    Ian Dees

  6. @iandees I'm just curious at communities that have successful approachs to see how we might improve /cc @ajturner

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    wonderchook

    Kate Chapman πŸ₯

  7. @iandees but look at the front-page UI discussion. What is the path of this incremental change? optimization or extinction :)

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    Andrew Turner

    @wonderchook good question - what are the best examples of great UX in purely open-source projects?

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    Andrew Turner

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  9. @ajturner in the case of #openstreetmap yes, not sure if there are other groups where it is different

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    wonderchook

    Kate Chapman πŸ₯

  10. @wonderchook @iandees If you want to improve you need to find people who are good coders and good designers which is a bit of a paradox :p

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    melaskia

    Emilie Laffray

  11. @ajturner @iandees is there something to be said about ripping the band-aid off?

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    wonderchook

    Kate Chapman πŸ₯

  12. @wonderchook @ajturner I don't think anyone has spent enough time discussing front page design. Many arguments/pet projects, though.

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    iandees

    Ian Dees

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    Andrew Turner

  14. @ajturner lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/desi… was started after discussions at SotM 2011. Lost some steam after a while though. /cc @migurski @tmcw

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    iandees

    Ian Dees

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    Pierre GIRAUD

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  18. @mhaklay @ajturner @wonderchook Perhaps, but OSM's problem is we listen, we just don't have the developer manpower to change things

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    richardf

    Richard Fairhurst

  19. @ajturner @wonderchook WordPress may not have "great UX," but certainly better than most. And developed by a community, not a company.

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    nacin

    Andrew Nacin

  20. @tmcw @ajturner really, I was just curious if it was possible. Not required though=)

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    Kate Chapman πŸ₯

  21. @tmcw @ajturner Vast majority of contributing designers & devs don't work there. Those that do, mostly contribute on their free time.

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    nacin

    Andrew Nacin

  22. @nacin @ajturner yes, my mom can use it=). Exactly an example I was trying to think about. How does design move forward with WordPress?

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    wonderchook

    Kate Chapman πŸ₯

  23. @nacin I agree that Wordpress is a great example. Most have a org structure to dictate though? E.g. Firefox

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    ajturner

    Andrew Turner

  24. @richardf @mhaklay @ajturner there are ways to buy people's time, but I'm not sure that is what most want

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    Kate Chapman πŸ₯

  25. @ajturner Org structure helps, but not necessary. Project leaders need to adopt the philosophy that UX comes first & always wins. [1/2]

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    nacin

    Andrew Nacin

    @ajturner Then the leads should appoint someone to make the final UX decisions, if that's what it takes. [2/2]

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    Andrew Nacin

    @tmcw @ajturner But obviously I agree @automattic helps matters quite a bit. Many projects have companies w/ vested interests in success.

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    nacin

    Andrew Nacin

  26. @nacin same for OSM, but slight difference is that there are no "leads" other than operations. no single company at head or design leads

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    Andrew Turner

  27. @ajturner @wonderchook want a 2-stage map process. 1. Serious osm mapper 2. Very simple Widget for basemap users to send changes to SOM

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    HeatherLeson

    HeatherLeson

  28. @HeatherLeson yes, the one thing that really needs to be thought out is fixing bugs versus adding missing info. Fixing is hard! @ajturner

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    wonderchook

    Kate Chapman πŸ₯

  29. @wonderchook @ajturner I would advocate a "fix the basemap report button or link" within @ushahidi . Meet you 1/2 way. Other OSM fans likely

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    HeatherLeson

    HeatherLeson

  30. @HeatherLeson I'd love to see a small JS widget for other devs to include. Loads a toolset and OSM basemap.

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    ajturner

    Andrew Turner

  31. @HeatherLeson there is #openstreetbugs or #mapdust already, though people don't seem enthusiasm to fix those types of reports @ajturner

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    Kate Chapman πŸ₯

  32. @ajturner Yeah. We only centralize decision-making for UX. We do have a "core team" but more defined (and smaller, flatter) than OSM.

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    nacin

    Andrew Nacin

    @ajturner Sorry, when I heard "OSM" I immediately thought Open Source Matters (Joomla's foundation).

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    nacin

    Andrew Nacin

  33. @wonderchook @ajturner We need to be in the same room for this. Our community may need plugin (very simple) to report. Yours: bug incentive

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    HeatherLeson

    HeatherLeson

  34. @HeatherLeson my concern is actually less design in this case and incentives to go actually fix the map /cc @ajturner

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    wonderchook

    Kate Chapman πŸ₯

  35. @nacin those are really useful, thx. Similar to Rails' "Convention over Configuration" that provides for elegant Dev UX

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    ajturner

    Andrew Turner