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    So is everyone in agreement that Forstall was a major driver of Appleโ€™s continued skeuomorphism?

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    KuraFire

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  2. @KuraFire I believe that was a general assumption, yes. I hope that starts to change now.

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    mko

    Michael Owens

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  6. @KuraFire I agree, mostly, tho it seems cheap to blame the map fail on Forstall.

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    dylanw

    Dylan Wilbanks, Human Grumpy Cat On The Shelf

  7. @dylanw I know, I feel that way myself. Unless they are holding him accountable for not changing Maps over five years ago?

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    KuraFire

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  8. @KuraFire There was nothing to change Maps over _to_. Apple's key failure was not having invested in-house on mapping tech.

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    mattmay

    Matt May

  9. @KuraFire Which, again, seems ridiculous. Mind you, the iOS maps are pretty ugly, but that wasn't the problem everyone had.

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    dylanw

    Dylan Wilbanks, Human Grumpy Cat On The Shelf

  10. @mattmay Or more precisely, not having done so early enough to avoid this situation of Googleโ€™s massive lead.

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    KuraFire

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  12. @dylanw I think @mattmay is right though: Apple didnโ€™t have anything to change Maps over _to_ [for too long, ed.].

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    KuraFire

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  13. @KuraFire Right. They took waaaay too long treating it as a commodity until they realized it had to be a core competency.

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    mattmay

    Matt May

  14. @JCroft @dylanw absolutely. But it wouldnโ€™t surprise me if Cook lists that as a failure of vision.

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    KuraFire

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  17. @JCroft @mattmay That sounds like a degree of naรฏvetรฉ that Cook would not permit. Jobs felt Google stabbed them in the back with Android.

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    KuraFire

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  18. @KuraFire I've heard Ive is a big player too. Getting obsessed over the details of the iBooks highlighter & making realistic textures.

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    leyink

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  19. @leyink Right, but I get the feeling Ive has a WAY better sense of (appropriate) texture and skeuomorphism than Forstall did.

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    KuraFire

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  20. @mattmay @KuraFire @JCroft I really doubt Schmidt was taking notes and telling the folks in Mtn View "go and do likewise."

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    dylanw

    Dylan Wilbanks, Human Grumpy Cat On The Shelf

    @mattmay @KuraFire @JCroft I've always felt Jobs was blaming Google for not sticking to the path Jobs had set out for them.

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    dylanw

    Dylan Wilbanks, Human Grumpy Cat On The Shelf

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  22. @dylanw @mattmay @JCroft I think thatโ€™s pretty much how Apple execs felt about it, though. See also the resignation memo (thanks Matt).

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    KuraFire

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  23. @mattmay @JCroft @KuraFire Yeah, well, what I think isn't relevant, since I'm not running Apple. :)

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    dylanw

    Dylan Wilbanks, Human Grumpy Cat On The Shelf

  24. @KuraFire @leyink Plus Ive isn't going to sell you a used car or hit on your wife.

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    paulschreiber

    Paul Schreiber

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  26. @KuraFire @leyink didn't follow him 24/7, but given his misogynistic comments from stage at WWDC, seems like the kind of thing he would do

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    paulschreiber

    Paul Schreiber

  27. @paulschreiber @KuraFire Woah, what did he say at WWDC? And yeah, he looks like a used car salesman. To be fair, he was nice when I met him.

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    leyink

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  28. @paulschreiber @leyink Huh, whatโ€™d he say? (also, not entirely unsurprising to me, knowing a few iOS devs)

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    KuraFire

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  29. @leyink @KuraFire Don't remember details exactly, but his answer to a Q was along the lines of "that's not what your wife said."

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    paulschreiber

    Paul Schreiber

  30. @cjdowner @KuraFire He was a SVP. If he wonders into a Mac software lab and tells someone to put leather on it they aren't going to argue.

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    @cjdowner @KuraFire Especially if Forstall was as vicious to work for as the rumour mill makes out.

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