1. Exquisite Tweets from @anildash, @felixsalmon, @RobDrimmie, @jonathanglick, @kwiens, @polexa, @benja, @harryh, @2AvSagas, @mattmanning, @pberry, @stringsn88keys, @twjpdx23, @jonk, @andrewwatson, @codinghorror, @jim_shook, @torrez, @jwill764, @LizScott, @JohnNess, @Cruftbox, @priyaparker, @mattwiebe, @analoguepilot, @hikristennn, @Veronica, @khanlou, @devan_, @joelhamill, @mena_le, @film_girl, @bynkii, @rarestorms, @windupez, @amparosofia, @tophtucker, @owenthomas, @stgwi, @inthefade, @davidburn, @mjays, @RSantaferraro, @MaggieL, @Questions1st, @toddbarnard, @HeyNell, @yoz, @amberdawn, @faziarizvi, @davidhfe

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    People who own cars are a peculiar subset of our species. I no longer understand car culture, even after having spent so many years in it.

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    anildash

    Anil Dash

  2. @anildash Thanks to my Subaru, I'm $2500 poorer today than I was yesterday. Cars are at the bottom of any cost/benefit league table.

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    felixsalmon

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  5. @anildash I still own a car and don't entirely understand car culture. I'm (%very%) gradually weaning myself.

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    RobDrimmie

    Rob Drimmie

  6. @anildash Our grandkids won't believe we were crazy enough to drive at 60+ mph a few feet from cars traveling in the opposite direction.

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  9. @jaynawallace I grew up in suburban Pennsylvania; I get it. But that's also part of why I came somewhere I can be free of those constraints.

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    anildash

    Anil Dash

  10. @anildash Moving to California (even San Francisco) from Philly reminded me how embedded cars are in life out here.

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    polexa

    Powen Shiah

  11. @anildash I am convinced the auto is not a transportation device. It's a passive aggressive actualization mechanism.

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  12. @anildash Similarly, I don’t understand why people are so obsessed w owning. When I had one, it was more of an annoyance than convenience.

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    2AvSagas

    Second Ave. Sagas

  13. @anildash Most folks don't have the luxury of living in a location where you can get by without a car. Not many alternatives in our country.

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    mattmanning

    Matt Manning 🌹

  14. @anildash move to rural California and you'll quickly get reacquainted!

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    pberry

    Patrick Berry

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  16. @anildash There are people who treat ownership as a practical necessity and those who treat going overboard as constitutional duty.

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    stringsn88keys

    Turkey Potatoes 🧻

  17. @jlgolson @anildash @felixsalmon consider that global car ownership is 148 cars per 1000 people and re-evaluate your assumption.

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    twjpdx23

    Tony Jordan

  18. @jlgolson @felixsalmon I grew up in the rural suburbs. But you know very few people in the world own a car, right? A small minority.

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    anildash

    Anil Dash

  19. @polexa @anildash didn't realize it until old coworker who moved here from Chicago told me she got rid of hyundai b/c ppl judge you by car

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    jonk

    Jonathan Khoo

  20. @kwiens @felixsalmon no, I think they're among the least awful options for the very privileged.

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    Anil Dash

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  22. @harryh I didn't see any humility in that, sir. YOU INSULT ME.

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    anildash

    Anil Dash

  23. @anildash @felixsalmon Their plan is to democratize electrics and cut the price in half with every new model.

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    kwiens

    Kyle Wiens

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  25. @SecondAveSagas people talk about their cars like an abusive relationship.

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    anildash

    Anil Dash

    @mattmanning yep, that part I fully understand; that's how I grew up. But it's also part of why I chose to leave.

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    anildash

    Anil Dash

    To be clear, I grew up in the suburbs; I understand cars are built into the lifestyle. But most people in the world don't have one.

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    anildash

    Anil Dash

  26. andrewwatson

    Andrew Watson 🔥🍕🖥️

  27. @anildash @felixsalmon Thirty years from now, does democratic transportation involve individual vehicles? Hard to get away from.

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    kwiens

    Kyle Wiens

  28. @anildash @kwiens @felixsalmon I dunno, unless you live in NYC you need a van as an escape vessel, otherwise trapped inside with the kids

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    codinghorror

    Jeff Atwood

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  30. @anildash interesting part in @chrislhayes "twilight of the elites" about how this misconception was one of big failures during Katrina

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    jim_shook

    Jim Shook

  31. @anildash @felixsalmon @codinghorror It seems like a central planning vs bottom up / grassroots issue. Top down planning works in cities.

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    kwiens

    Kyle Wiens

  32. @anildash I understand this. When I lived in LA I thought about cars often (driving to/from work). The other day I realized I no longer do.

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    torrez

    Andre

  33. Cars are marketed to us as something we can't do without @anildash Our affluence allows easy access to the marketing, and then we buy in.

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    jwill764

    John E. Williams

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  35. Maybe "peculiar subset" is bad phrasing; I grew up thinking a car = freedom. Now I identify with the majority of people who don't own cars.

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    anildash

    Anil Dash

  36. @anildash Your perception here is skewed by where you live. It's not just suburbia that is car reliant. It's anywhere non-metropolitan

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  37. @tedder42 people don’t know LA has a subway? I don’t believe that.

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    torrez

    Andre

  38. @anildash Maybe truer to say you identify with a minority who has an option to have a car but prefers not to?

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    JohnNess

    John Ness

  39. @anildash It came across as condescending, which never helps making a point. Even if you are right.

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    Cruftbox

    Michael Pusateri

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  43. @anildash In my Labs w/ young people in high school, some have drawn cars as their "vision". When I probe, behind it, is still freedom.

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    priyaparker

    Priya Parker

  44. @anildash It's funny, because for me owning a car is slavery. If my wife's job didn't require one, there's no way we'd have one.

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    mattwiebe

    Matt Wiebe

  45. @LizScott I know; I've lived in towns of all sizes. But people act as if living in car dependency isn't a choice, when it is.

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    anildash

    Anil Dash

  46. @anildash a car is freedom if you pay for the whole thing in cash, never drive it and live in a state that doesnt require insurance.

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    analoguepilot

    Joshua Conti

  47. @anildash It's an interesting debate. Young ppl no longer yearn for cars. Some find it more freeing and economically viable to live w/out 1.

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  48. @anildash I hadn’t owned a car in over 10 years, but getting one in SF changed my life. Freedom! Being able to get out of the city easily.

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    Veronica

    Veronica Belmont

  49. @tedder42 do they not drive on the freeways and see them pass? Do they not ride the metro busses? I find this hard to believe.

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    torrez

    Andre

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  51. @JohnNess fewer than 20% of people in the world own a car. It's a pretty rare behavior, actually.

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    anildash

    Anil Dash

  52. @anildash Ehhhhhhhhhh. For me to move to a part of my state that would make a car unnecessary, that would absolutely raise my cost of living

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  54. @anildash a large part of that is nyc. owning a car here isn't freeing, it's limiting.

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    khanlou

    soroush

  55. @tedder42 btw, I lived in Los Angeles (Fairfax/3rd) from 1992 to 2000 and Long Beach from 2000 to 2005.

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    torrez

    Andre

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  59. @anildash Aah, I see. More about those unwilling to consider alternatives when no car is “necessary” (for employment, basic needs)?

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    devan_

    dead lasso

  60. @LizScott how much would be offset by not having to pay for a car?

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    anildash

    Anil Dash

  61. @anildash What % of households worldwide own cars? What about in developed nations? I'm actually pretty curious.

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    harryh

    Harry Heymann 🥑

  62. @tedder42 @torrez I just found out that LA had a subway a few years ago. Been living in SoCal for 10. Think of Inland Empire folks

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  63. Also, not arguing that people shouldn't live in small cities or suburbs. Just that they can be built to be less car-dependent.

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    anildash

    Anil Dash

  64. @anildash Same here. Grew up in farm country, moved to the city the first chance I got.

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    mattmanning

    Matt Manning 🌹

  65. @harryh haven't seen stats lately, but I know it's a minority of households worldwide.

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    anildash

    Anil Dash

  66. @anildash Not much. I'd be moving from slightly rural/suburban to more metro, with a subsequent raise in taxes and other recurring costs...

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  68. @anildash we tried that. but the hassle of returning and scheduling regularly made it too much of a pain. no spontaneity.

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    Veronica

    Veronica Belmont

  69. @anildash But much of that 80% just can't own a car. People who can but don't and people who can't don't share much as a group.

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    JohnNess

    John Ness

  70. @anildash the bigger problem is the very large metropolitan areas that exist where owning a car is a requirement.

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    film_girl

    Christina Warren

  71. @joelhamill @tedder42 sure, but Ted said “LA” so I assumed he meant LA residents.

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    torrez

    Andre

  72. @anildash I'm with you -- I'm proudly car free. But I grew up in Atlanta and lived in Los Angeles. Two Must Drive cities

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    film_girl

    Christina Warren

  73. @anildash they CAN be, but they usually aren't. I agree that's not a great situation, but that's a fairly expensive proposition.

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    bynkii

    John C. Welch

  74. There's nothing intrinsic about small towns & cities that requires them to be built around cars. That's an invention of the last ~75 years.

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    anildash

    Anil Dash

  75. @anildash I get where you're coming from, though. The suburban/commuter lifestyle is not an option for me.

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    mattmanning

    Matt Manning 🌹

  76. @anildash esp. for smaller towns/less densely populated areas without the population/Tax base to support such things.

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    bynkii

    John C. Welch

  77. @anildash just moved to a small city from NYC, now own a car, but still walk everywhere, walking is one of the great lessons of NYC.

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    rarestorms

    patrick carey

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  79. @anildash they actually work a lot better for everyone when they're build around walkable spaces

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    windupez

    abolish the police

  80. @anildash to tell you the truth even as a tourist going to the USA is a pain unless you rent a car...

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    amparosofia

    Condesa Tifoidea

  81. @torrez @tedder42 Ah, true. I think of LA to mean most of SoCal because it's pretty much one big city now.

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  82. @anildash Segways! (In all honesty I appreciate Kamen’s attempt.)

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    tophtucker

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  83. @anildash mass transit is not cheap. That cost has to be justified.

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    bynkii

    John C. Welch

  84. @anildash it's more likely that cars will be rebuilt than cities. Much more.

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    codinghorror

    Jeff Atwood

  85. @anildash 1000% agree. I wish it could change. Realistically, it'd require a total overhaul of the whole infrastructure

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    film_girl

    Christina Warren

  86. @anildash @harryh India and China's middle classes view car as a status symbol. May take a generation for their children to rebel.

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    owenthomas

    Owen Thomas

  87. @anildash @harryh no doubt urban / suburban planning have assumed car ownership for a while. look at suburban DC for example...

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    andrewwatson

    Andrew Watson 🔥🍕🖥️

  88. @anildash But the relationship between towns has changed drastically. However, mass transit could serve equally well.

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    stgwi

    John

  89. @anildash in contrast to going to Europe where you can find a way to get from one place to another without even considering using a car...

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    amparosofia

    Condesa Tifoidea

  90. @anildash You can't live on Long Island without a car, and that's sad. On the top of my checklist for where will move to is WALKABLE.

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    inthefade

    bring on the dancing horses

  91. @anildash @harryh but in places like ATL people commute 40+ miles each way to work and public transport is meager.

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    andrewwatson

    Andrew Watson 🔥🍕🖥️

  92. @jlgolson in much of the world it's quite possible to get between nearby cities without owning a car.

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    anildash

    Anil Dash

  93. @anildash i like to find the metal curbside rings in Portland, where one may tie one's horse for a spell

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    davidburn

    David Burn

  94. @anildash being car free is not a moral choice on any level. It's a side effect of different pressures. Some people are voluntarily.

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    bynkii

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    Anil Dash

  98. @film_girl @anildash and a total overhaul of most of our society; look how well a small change is going in politics.

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  99. @bynkii it's much cheaper than how much we've paid to build highways.

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    anildash

    Anil Dash

  100. @anildash over time? for every city in the country? Show me verifiable numbers.

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    bynkii

    John C. Welch

  101. @owenthomas @harryh definitely true. Also may take choking on the miasma they create.

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    anildash

    Anil Dash

  102. @joelhamill @tedder42 also to be clear here: LA is the best city in the world and I hope to be able to return some day.

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    Andre

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  106. @anildash there’s a difference between small towns and suburbs though. one existed for ages, the other designed around cars.

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    mjays

    Martin Spindler 🛰

  107. @torrez @tedder42 I like living out here in the burbs with the ability to get to LA whenever I want via, train or car

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  108. @anildash It's frustrating to live in a place where nothing is walkable but the mass transit is nearly useless.

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    inthefade

    bring on the dancing horses

  109. More relevantly, I don't think I understand the culture of seeing cars as more than tools for accomplishing transportation.

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  114. @inthefade I have so been there. Feel like it was a huge, quiet part of my misery then.

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    anildash

    Anil Dash

  115. @anildash It's a truth of our society that any tool becomes fetishized. See: clothing, guns, computers, etc.

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  118. @anildash Yes, they were built around horses/oxen/wagons and boats/rivers for the previous few thousand years. Transport technologies.

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    Cruftbox

    Michael Pusateri

  119. .@anildash Well, liberals are motivated by different power fantasies.

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    MaggieL

    Maggie Leber

  120. @anildash I think the Internet and text messages are killing that culture. Teens can now escape their parents virtually.

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    owenthomas

    Owen Thomas

  121. @anildash @harryh and i'm moving back there in two weeks! i must be crazy...

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  123. @Cruftbox not sure I'll grant that so easily. Same size towns in other countries are built around modern transport that's not cars.

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    anildash

    Anil Dash

    anildash

    Anil Dash

  124. @Veronica @anildash if you have as many trains as they have in Europe, you'll have the same freedom or similar. not the case in NA though

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    Questions1st

    Questions Consulting

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    Todd ⛽🌎💀

  126. @anildash I don't understand seeing movies as more than a pleasant waste of a couple of hours. But they have deeper meanings to many

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    bynkii

    John C. Welch

  127. @anildash I guess they occupied too awk a niche b/w walk/bike/drive (& reeked of sloth). But ppl thought tablets had too awk a niche, too.

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    tophtucker

    TOoᴼᵒº˙⁰0₀ₒ.·ph

  128. @anildash people like to get into stuff. The internet, cars, sports, etc. If there's a <thing>, somewhere, there's someone for whom...

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  131. @SecondAveSagas @anildash The thing is, it's an annoyance when it's annoying and a convenience when you need it.

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    HeyNell

    Ellen McDermott

  132. @anildash The massive popularity of racing and shooting games demonstrates their entertainment value.

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    yoz

    Yoz Grahame

  133. @anildash You're trying to justify that every city should work like London/NY. History, location, & tech all play a role in how cities grow.

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    Cruftbox

    Michael Pusateri

  134. @SecondAveSagas @anildash I take public transpo everywhere even places that aren't well served & don't have a car so not defending ownership

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    HeyNell

    Ellen McDermott

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    Amber Costley

  136. @anildash Visited small city once where I didn’t need a car to get around, or to next town, or even to nearby big city. LOVED it!

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    faziarizvi

    Fazia Rizvi (Get vaccinated!)

  137. @Cruftbox no, I think there are local, human-scale solutions appropriate to different communities which don't rely on everyone buying cars.

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    Anil Dash

    @amberdawn love road trips. I'm not saying cars shouldn't exist. I'm saying default of spending hours a day serving them is suboptimal.

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    anildash

    Anil Dash

  138. @anildash I wish they were seen as just that by more folks, then maybe extensive high speed rail in my state would have a fighting chance.

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    faziarizvi

    Fazia Rizvi (Get vaccinated!)

  139. @anildash You're reducing it to hand-wavy TED-speak. Size and geography play a huge role in growth. Look at this map: mlkshk.com/p/MVH1

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    Cruftbox

    Michael Pusateri

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  141. @anildash Would rather spend 5 hr trip to Dallas reading book or script than actually driving. But car culture = sucky mass transit options.

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  143. @anildash I agree with you, I just think a lot of car culture mentality is tied into road trip type thinking. I love cars because of them.

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    amberdawn

    Amber Costley

  144. @amberdawn interesting. because i truly love road trips, but felt day-to-day ownership was nothing but a burden.

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    Anil Dash

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  147. @anildash @Veronica Having a car as an option makes everything easier. No worries about the schedule vs. making friends pick me up, etc.

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    davidhfe

    David Snyder

  148. @davidhfe @Veronica yes, but we can make towns where that's all true without cars.

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    anildash

    Anil Dash