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    If I was trying to compete with the iPhone, I'd start off by creating a team to work to make an Open Source media player usable.

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    tomcoates

    Tom Coates

  2. @tomcoates Totally agree. We had some thoughts around that a few years back but really the OS community that need to push it.

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    weblivz

    steven

  3. @tomcoates Wasn't Google supposed to be doing that? So far the best audio player experience I've had on Android is Winamp. Which is odd.

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    benwerd

    Ben Werdmuller

  4. @benwerd Yeah, that's the problem. However irritating iTunes is, no large co seems capable of building a good alternative.

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    tomcoates

    Tom Coates

  5. @tomcoates you mean on the phone, or the desktop app? Have you looked at doubletwist?

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    kevinmarks

    Kevin Marks

  6. @tomcoates itunes made sense for the ipods with tiny screens, but fit ipad it feels like a boat anchor. Android doesn't need a desktop app

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    kevinmarks

    Kevin Marks

  7. @kevinmarks Dude, you're nuts. People have music collections they want to be able to play on their mobile devices!

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    tomcoates

    Tom Coates

  8. @tomcoates @kevinmarks You played with getmiro.com (OS) ? Be neat to be integrated with my Android but pretty cool.

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    weblivz

    steven

  9. @tomcoates I get my music collection on my Palm Pre just fine. "Phone just acts like a USB drive" is easy, powerful, one less mental model.

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    yoz

    Yoz Grahame

  10. @yoz Do you think the majority of people would feel the same way? I suspect you're a bit of an outlier there...

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    tomcoates

    Tom Coates

  11. @tomcoates Yeah, I know that I'm in the minority for using my music through a filesystem (vs database). Damn you, iTunes! DAMN YOU TO HELL

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    yoz

    Yoz Grahame

    @tomcoates But I do think that iTunes is an abstraction too far. Why can't it just be a special Finder view that uses ID3 from Spotlight?

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    yoz

    Yoz Grahame

  12. @yoz @tomcoates You're sounding like you're wishing for the BeOS Tracker. I think they even implemented the email client like that.

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    bensummers

    Ben Summers

  13. @tomcoates no figures but since spotify came along itunes became largely a tool for loading up my phone with music made myself / friends.

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    robmanuel

    Rob Manuel 🧻

  14. @bensummers Windows shell can work that way too, can't it? I know you can get ID3 info columns in Explorer views.

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    yoz

    Yoz Grahame

  15. @tomcoates Doubletwist does a good job for that use case, with wireless sync. I wish Google Listen was open source so I could fix it'

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    kevinmarks

    Kevin Marks

  16. @tomcoates amen to a functional FOSS media player that syncs with an MP3 player

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    muteboy

    valid person 🚮

  17. @yoz Dude, you don't have to tell me that iTunes is bloated and clumsy. It's Apple's PC beachhead so they stuff everything into it.

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    tomcoates

    Tom Coates

    @yoz But surely this would make it even easier to push for a simple Open Source alternative that could sync with anything...?!

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    tomcoates

    Tom Coates

    @yoz I mean, I should be clear. I actually like iTunes. I'd like it to be less baroque, but in the end, I'm in favour.

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    tomcoates

    Tom Coates

    @robmanuel Spotify is clearly the big challenger to iTunes' dominance, which is probably why Apple are so bloody paranoid about it.

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    tomcoates

    Tom Coates

  18. @tomcoates I want the equivalent of Pandora for spoken word radio + podcasts, with a UI I can use while driving.

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    kevinmarks

    Kevin Marks

  19. @tomcoates OK - elaborate on why you like it? I should add that I find iTunes sync more mentally taxing due to it having wiped iPods before.

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    yoz

    Yoz Grahame

  20. @yoz I like that it keeps track of play-counts, ratings. Smart playlists are totally core to my listening experience, as is Genius.

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    tomcoates

    Tom Coates

    @yoz The fact that it syncs with my devices is a big deal, and that it connects to my Apple TV. And the store, honestly, is quite useful.

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    tomcoates

    Tom Coates

    @yoz I could do without many of the stupid fluffy views and Ping and a few dozen other things, but generally it's a pretty good experience.

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    tomcoates

    Tom Coates

  21. @tomcoates Good point about usage data. I want my ratings synced. But iTunes forces you to a single desktop hub. How about last.fm?

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    yoz

    Yoz Grahame

  22. huslage

    Aaron "Get a Vaccine" Huslage

  23. @tomcoates The bizarre thing is that the syncing which is genuinely hard, e.g. iPhone data & apps, should exist - but in a music app?!

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    yoz

    Yoz Grahame

  24. @yoz This is why Spotify is probably the only long-term competitor (assuming Apple don't kill it).

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    tomcoates

    Tom Coates

  25. @kevinmarks yes and/or at least something to read my mail and favorite blogs/feeds to me in the car

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    mediajunkie

    christian crumlish

  26. @yoz All of this stuff is in iTunes because they only want one app to install on PCs.

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    tomcoates

    Tom Coates

  27. @tomcoates So an open source competitor might start by defining a portable data protocol for usage, ratings, smart playlists etc.

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    yoz

    Yoz Grahame

  28. @yoz If you look on Apple devices like the iPad, they disaggregate the App Store, iTunes music store and the music and video players.

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    tomcoates

    Tom Coates

  29. mildlydiverting

    Kim Plowright

  30. @kevinmarks @tomcoates Is there anyway to stream a huffduffer feed automatically?

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    AndrewHazlett

    Andrew Hazlett

  31. @yoz So they KNOW it's not the ideal way to do it, but if you have one PC beachhead then you use it for everything...

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    tomcoates

    Tom Coates

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  33. @huslage Google Listen is a UI disaster area. It makes me manage downloading; it forgets what I was playing; tiny fiddly buttons @tomcoates

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    kevinmarks

    Kevin Marks

  34. @mildlydiverting @yoz Yup - I'm with Kim. Take Songbird (or similar) and turn it into a simple, easy to use player that's nice to use.

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    tomcoates

    Tom Coates

  35. @tomcoates your tweets have made me think tho - it does a hell of a lot I don't really think about. Whilst pretending to be WinAmp.

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    robmanuel

    Rob Manuel 🧻

  36. @robmanuel God yeah - iTunes is this huge hub for Apple. Enormously big deal.

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    tomcoates

    Tom Coates

  37. @mildlydiverting @tomcoates Yeah - iTunes is still based on album + podcast model from 10 years ago. Look at Soundcloud, extensionfm.

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    yoz

    Yoz Grahame

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  39. @tomcoates If you have thoughts on this matter, might I recommend the medium of the old-fashioned blogge-poste.

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    gwire

    gwire

  40. @gwire Nah. Having a chat with awesome people on the interwebs is much more fun than writing something long.

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    tomcoates

    Tom Coates

  41. @tomcoates I think it's telling that iTunes is 64-bit on Windows... but not OSX/Cocoa. I suspect it'll be divided and subsumed very soon.

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    gwire

    gwire

    @tomcoates ah, but it makes it more difficult for others to point people towards it (without the hassle of third-party curation I guess).

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    gwire

    gwire

  42. @tomcoates There are some really quite good players like songbird to start from, if you were going to do it.

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    rabble

    rabble

  43. @ZENKO_property I'd genuinely look towards what would block the success of any smartphone and the current answer is iTunes

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    tomcoates

    Tom Coates

  44. @tomcoates valid point, but as a frustrated smartphone user I HATE the basics not working ie browser and ability to play videos

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    ZENKO_property

    ZENKO property