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  6. @owenhatherley @diski Nobody is making the opposite argument. Miliband talks a lot about the "squeezed middle" - not working class and poor

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    z_boson

    z_boson

  7. @owenhatherley strongly right-leaning press has successfully demonised those on "welfare" [sic] - Blair's right-of-centrism also an element

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    BohemiaStable

    Нил Юнг

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  12. @owenhatherley Isn't that similar to the US? People blame themselves. If the benefits are generous, well, then it must be your fault?

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    z_boson

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  14. @owenhatherley because "benefits", like US "welfare", are operationally defined as "stuff someone else gets".

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    yorksranter

    Alex Harrowell

  15. @owenhatherley I know. It's baffling and disturbing. Labour won't counter the lies. Would now lose them votes. Meet the new normal.

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  19. @owenhatherley Yep. But see FACTUAL shows like Skint. Many think Shameless is a documentary, so deniers aspire not to be one of that tribe.

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  21. @yorksranter @owenhatherley Also suspect this always gets more of a hearing in depressions. There's more fear and resignation around.

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  24. @owenhatherley I've argued this out hundreds of times, to no avail. "I don't read the papers, I've SEEN it with my own eyes" etc.

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    anorkhist

    OH, SIR KEIR STARMER

  25. @simonk133 I had a recent argument with a friend on this which ended with her admitting she 'wasn't interested in facts' @owenhatherley

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    BorisWatch

    Boris Watch

  26. @owenhatherley I know a Tory who became unemployed in middle age. But it's 'different for them, they've earned it'. Zero cog. dissonance

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    geeoharee

    What duck?

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  28. @simonk133 @owenhatherley nobody self-identifies as "a claimant" - why hometown institution the Claimants' Union didn't get out of Bradford

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    yorksranter

    Alex Harrowell

  29. @owenhatherley o/h a train conversation near (funnily enough) Soton last weekend along these lines, 'too many people I know would rather...

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    richard_king

    Richard King

  30. @owenhatherley My anecdotal evidence - people have anecdotal evidence of someone local (usually classic single mum) 'playing the system'

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    ROCKFORTSHOW

    ROCKFORT

  31. @owenhatherley ...have another baby and stay on child benefit than go and get a job, it's alright for them'.

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    richard_king

    Richard King

  32. @simonk133 @owenhatherley appealing to solidarity among a group to which the members do not wish to belong is daft...

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    yorksranter

    Alex Harrowell

  33. @anorkhist @owenhatherley "tax avoidance/corporate subsidies are bad, but THIS IS WORSE. I *have* to go to work each day & everything".

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    anorkhist

    OH, SIR KEIR STARMER

  34. @owenhatherley 'She's living large while we're working.' People have been primed to look sideways for scapegoats, not up for the real blame

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    ROCKFORTSHOW

    ROCKFORT

  35. @owenhatherley they didn't call it "The Dole Club". note use of the word "Workers" (and "National").

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    yorksranter

    Alex Harrowell

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  37. @zone_styx @owenhatherley grim end to said conversation; 'when they're made homeless at the end of this year they'll soon wise up'

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    richard_king

    Richard King

    @zone_styx @owenhatherley (same people had previously been talking about Wicca & how much they liked dating Russian builders)

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    Richard King

  38. @zone_styx @owenhatherley @richard_king "nah mate you're all right, it's them other ones you hear about that I'm talking about"

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    DavidcMoynihan

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  41. @owenhatherley @Commuterist People think 47% of the welfare budget goes to the unemployed. Survey only shows that the propaganda is working.

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    muggwhump

    William Miller

    @owenhatherley @Commuterist Most people will also assume that everyone gets £26,000 in benefits because that figure is always mentioned.

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  47. @owenhatherley @yorksranter it's a form of self-reassurance. I wore shirts to the job centre to convince myself I wasn't 'one of them'

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    Rory Stott