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    Just took a 1.5hr class on Jekyll. A few observations: 1) my @Mapbox / @developmentseed friends got name dropped a LOT.

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    Kathleen Danielson

    2) this remains a developer-centric tool. Non - devs still (rightly) don't quite get the utility.

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    Kathleen Danielson

    3) A more complete UI (perhaps building off of Prose, but taking it farther) is going to be necessary if you want to expand past devs

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    4) Jekyll is still in its sexy phase, which means people aren't yet focusing on making it dead simple for *beginners*

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    5) a frustrating lack of attention is paid to getting beginners up to speed on xyz tools. Write comprehensive docs. Don't skip steps.

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  3. @tmcw i don't disagree, but if you aren't making comprehensive docs a priority then you are eliminating potential users

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    @tmcw when a tool is being pushed as dead simple, it's really defeating to try to use it and get hung up on step one.

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    Kathleen Danielson

    @tmcw for the same reasons that FOSS had (and sometimes still has) shitty UI, there's a lack of documentation. Takes time away from dev

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  5. @tmcw @KathleenLD But it's also a pragmatic call: can you make reasonable assumptions about the user base? (I think so in most cases.)

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    Dave Guarino

  6. @allafarce @tmcw i guess I wish the standard assumption aimed a little lower.

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    Kathleen Danielson

  7. @KathleenLD @tmcw In Jekyll's case, your #2 point is spot-on. Basic usage is really a dev workflow, so for that reason docs dev-oriented.

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    Dave Guarino

    @KathleenLD @tmcw Hosted SaaS offerings are supplanting a lot of the non-dev-friendly side of things (like @TryGhost); many prefer that

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    Dave Guarino

  8. @allafarce @tmcw here's my beef: for all of its problems, the CMS democratized the web. People like me could add shit to the internet

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    Kathleen Danielson

    @allafarce @tmcw until static sites can compete with CMSes for *end user usability* I'm not drinking the koolaid.

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    Kathleen Danielson

    @allafarce @tmcw is a static site technically superior/preferable? Sure. It's still a step backward in terms of usability.

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  10. @tmcw @KathleenLD @allafarce sorry, undocumented Jekyll is a Ferrari in this analogy...?

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    Stephanie May

  11. @mizmay @tmcw @KathleenLD Seriously though, blogging'a a crowded space, and if usability is the goal to optimize, why choose Jekyll?

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    Dave Guarino

  12. @KathleenLD @mizmay @tmcw ...but it's designed to solve a different set of problems (eg, hosting overhead) than those faced by "beginners."

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    Dave Guarino

  13. @allafarce @KathleenLD @mizmay @tmcw Things like jekyll are touted as simple, robust solutions by devs and CMS are ‘old and busted’ 1/2

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  15. @migurski @spara @allafarce @KathleenLD @tmcw 'beginners' and 'comprehensive' are red herrings in this discussion imho.

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    Stephanie May

    @migurski @spara @allafarce @KathleenLD @tmcw personally I'd like back all the days I've lost to undocumented 'obvious' things, pls.

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    Stephanie May

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  18. @migurski @mizmay @spara @allafarce @KathleenLD @tmcw Having to know who to ask which IRC channel still answers questions these days sucks.

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    Charlie Loyd

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  20. @vruba @migurski @spara @allafarce @KathleenLD @tmcw @springmeyer ...in sum, docs for Jekyll are not a waste of time, nor docs for Ferraris.

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    Stephanie May