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  31. This is exactly how I see it, thank you for articulating my thoughts.

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    SnokesLegs

    Snokes Legs

  32. This is a great summation of Luke’s journey and I hope more people come around to it in the years to come. I also agree that Rian Johnson did the best he could given where JJ left off with Luke in hiding.

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  35. Completely agreed. It isn't a coincidence that the mechanical hand is the one that ignites the lightsaber. With the set up in TFA, I'm not sure how else we could go forward.

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    LitheraPrime

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  37. This is excellent. Gives a much deeper understanding of what was going on with Luke. And seeing as it's been too long since I've seen the og trilogy I was definitely missing some of these pieces.

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    nevermindjody

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  39. The binary sunset perfectly underscored to me how Luke finally came full circle and rediscovered his earliest virtue (which he convinced himself was only a flaw) - his ability to yearn for a better future.

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    MrIanMacIntyre

    Ian MacIntyre

  40. The differences between the 3 tellings are so fascinating to me.

    1st - Luke and Ben have no lightsabers
    2nd - Luke's dark eyes/expression and Ben's look of desperation
    3rd - Luke's moment of contemplation and Ben's aggressive defense

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  42. I have to admit I never liked the idea of Luke running away, but given what was set up in TFA, I feel like @rianjohnson made it make sense for me and gave Luke a great send off.

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    Kwehttamm

    Matt K

  43. This reminded me of the Dagobah cave, as well. Luke was doomed the moment he chose to bring his lightsaber in there with him.

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    BarbotRobot

    Matt Barbot

  44. Quick question: what was the reason you feel Luke regained his faith/belief in the Jedi? Despite his feeling that all of the galaxy's problems stem from them I.e someone turning dark (violence begets violence as you said). Was it that failure is the greatest teacher as Yoda said

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    AVSmovies

    The Last Atreides

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  46. But even with reaching out to Leia, at that point he still felt that the galaxy's problems stemmed from the Jedi?

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    AVSmovies

    The Last Atreides

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  48. I think Yoda summed it up best: that Rey saw the split-second mistake Luke had made with Ben but that all the failures were the greatest teacher & Luke only then realised that Rey could continue the Jedi in a way that prevented those mistakes from being made

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    AVSmovies

    The Last Atreides

    Also I feel 9 will end with the light and dark coming together to form eternal balance, that way no mistake is ever made again with their being too much light or dark

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    The Last Atreides

  49. It's like the Jedi equivalent of a celebrity deciding to quit social media due to the unforseen negative consequences.

    (Ha! I kill me. Also, you're right. Good thread.)

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    nickarkis

    Nick Arkis

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  51. We win by saving what we love. It's mirrored in how Rey arrives and uses her mighty Force powers to ... let her friends escape.

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  56. If this is the case, then it’s even more galling that Snoke is not explained, evil force wielder comes out of nowhere, no Jedi needed.

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  62. He couldn’t touch Ben with anything because he wasn’t there really.

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  64. I think you got the wrong lesson from the Yoda arc, friend. Yoda and the Jedi of the time thought the darkness could be extinguished from themselves. They believed themselves pure and arrogance blinded them. What Yoda learned in that arc is that, yes, that dark part of himself

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    WhiteWolfWhills

    White Wolf of the Whills

    does exist. It will never go away fully. But it does not control him. Ignoring it would only give it power. The only way to defeat the dark side is to constantly resist it. There WILL be temptation, there WILL be moments of weakness.

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    WhiteWolfWhills

    White Wolf of the Whills

    But what matters isn't how much you're tempted, it's how you control it. By accepting it as a part of yourself you may find strength in denying it.

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  67. Great thread, I like it, but let’s be clear, Rey isn’t the reason he changed his mind. R2 & the Hologram was.
    Rey was a Space UPS driver, delivering R2.

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  71. He references her as the future of the Force sure, but it was clearly the Leia hologram that changed his mind. Rey just bothered him for a few days, scaring him even more.
    R2 is the hero here.

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  73. "Slow paced, meandering, dull chase sequences, plot contradictions, blatantly withheld info for no other reason than transparent character manipulation" "Yeah, yeah, yeah, but check out those killer THEMES"

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  77. That reminds me...
    where did that third lesson go?
    Cutting room floor?

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  78. I agree with your Luke take. My only disappointment with TLJ is Rey's decision not to join Ben. Everything Ben tells her in his pitch is correct (except he doesn't know how much Finn cares about her.) But even she's oblivious to that. She should have joined Ben.

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    TheEclectic

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  80. It would have made for an unpredictable change in canon dogma. She's been searching for belonging and family since she appears on screen. Ben really is one of the only people who truly understand and accept her. She was ostensibly rejected by Luke. Han died.

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    TheEclectic

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  82. I could give an argument about an object that eventually dissapear. But you’re right that at least that Luke’s pacifist behaviour is what the director wants to communicate.

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    baradit

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  83. I think if “violence begets violence” were his real reason for hiding, he’d have said so. He’s hiding because, as long as he’s around, he’ll be expected to rebuild the Jedi. He’s convinced that would be a mistake. He has no qualms about helping perpetuate a war.

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    GC9X

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  84. Interesting take. I didn't feel like he was negging. I thought he was being genuine. Granted it was doused in his trademark lack of maturity.

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  86. Felt like he was saying she was nothing to underscore his point and not necessarily to put her down - for dramatic effect, but you may be right. And in lots of ways his understanding of her "nothingness" and hers as well is correct. Aside from Finn, who cares about her wellbeing?

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    Steve Mas

    I've only seen it twice and my recollection of the details may be off. Definitely subbing your pod, though. You're thread really made some revelations to me about Luke.

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  88. You're 500% correct and yes, I love it too. Applauding every word of this thread, thank you.

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    GreyDuck

    Karel P Kerezman

  89. The embrace of non-violence by Luke is a great climax. I also think that Luke forgiving himself for his failure, and thus being able to save everyone else from theirs, is what makes his final scene so gratifying.

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    mburchett

    President Gene Harrison Ford Belcher

  90. His lightsaber doesn't touch Ben's because it can't. He's a hologram basically. Your love for the series is commendable but you're having to do a lot of work to find the good in this. Castrating Luke was just a huge undermining of the character and deeply unsatisfying to watch.

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  91. Yep. Plus he was all high on green milk, so whatcha gonna do?

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  92. I mean, I understand why it can be considered a 'good' plotline but it belongs to a different film, not star wars. Maybe Shawshank redemption or something.

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  97. What this is telling me is that The Last Jedi didn't ruin Luke Skywalker.

    The Force Awakens did.

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  99. I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed the parallel to 30 years before, the last time Luke stood over a helpless Dark Side foe, ready to deal out death in judgment.

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  101. So what you’re saying is you’re mad your headcanon didn’t play out as the official version?

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  102. I am terribly weary of every single "hero" these days having to be so-called "morally grey". Dragging one of the best through the gravel and dirtying him up is hard to watch. Can't we have just one hero who's Good, pure and simple?

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    RaisonDetriment

  103. Uggh these dimwits such as you making straw man arguments on why you think people disliked the movie are hilarious. It has nothing to do with fan theories and all to do with proper storytelling, coherent story for a sequel and respect for the lore, which TLJ is lacking. It sucks

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  107. So he was happy to just let the Dark Side / First Order take over? And let his sister instead fight them?

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    TonyPrintezis

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  108. There's a lovely symmetry to the first act of the Force Luke witnesses being trickery - of the Tuskens, possibly, and then definitely of the Stormtroopers - and the last thing he does being an illusion on a grand scale - again, of a bunch of Stormtroopers.

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  109. Here's where I have a problem with this line of thinking. A core tenet of Luke's character is his unwillingness to give up on someone. Also, his reaction in the Throne Room was anger at the Emperor. In this story, it's fear which doesn't resonate with his character.

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    Zipper_76

    Zachary Perschall

  110. There's a problem with this point though: Snoke. If the issue was just a fallen apprentice, this theory makes sense. But Snoke's already there (somehow). Luke walking away after failing Kylo, sure, but he also left the galaxy and friends to die at the hands of a dark side master.

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    GillianDN

    Gillian de Nooijer

  111. If the Force is life how do you quit it by going on a planet teaming with life and strong in the force? Thanks for the thoughtful tweets, not sure if I agree but I enjoyed reading your perspective a lot

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  114. Always felt that Luke knew Vader was right-his destiny was dark. Luke's life was doing whatever he could to suppress the inevitable. His view of the Jedi was the dark temptation is too stong. Ben confirmed that.

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    AdamMMasin

    Adam Masin

  115. Good work on the deconstruction, and I think also that the problem is related to TFA about Luke. And also that there is not outline for the new trilogy, so they have to impro in the way of doing the movies to see where the story goes.

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    nicopintoheck

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  116. I enjoy this Tweet both as an analysis of TLJ and Luke's character arc, but also as a potential analogy for Depression and Mental Illness.

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  119. I liked the movie but I didn’t really get why Luke changed his mind. He seemed correct about ending the Jedi tbh and there wasn’t any specific detail in the story to convince him otherwise.

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  126. Great thread and insight @swankmotron u said even more than I was thinking. Now That’s how u watch a good movie, keep up the great work!

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  129. So Luke refuses to murder vader because he sensed good in him, but wants to kill a kid because he sensed bad in him? Completely contradictory to who Luke is.

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    _BonFigli

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  131. I think it had more to do with the fact that he wasn't really there and could not make contact with his saber. To not evade would have giving away it was a projection. But I guess this won't matter since I have less than 20 followers.

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    dankourny

    Topspin Assassin

  132. This argument is so stupid. For them to say they HAVE to kill the jedi + sith to create grey area characters is so ignorant. If they bothered to read the EU they would know that there is such a thing as dark jedi. Mace Windu, Quinlan Vos, etc. The ppl in charge don't know sh*t.

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    ravewithravi

    Ravi Krishnaswamy

    But why did Kylo turn exactly? I believe the excuse Han gave was "There's too much vader in him." These ppl know Anakin was a once a nice guy who gradually turned to the dark side right? He didn't just wake up one day and want to kill younglings.

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  138. Dude. If rey (an untrained jedi who has never wielded a lightsaber before) annihilated Kylo. How could Luke not defeat him. ZERO LOGIC.

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    ravewithravi

    Ravi Krishnaswamy

  139. This is why I love the movie. Fans complain about no duel, but are forgetting that the force is very peaceful. It's a side of Star Wars we are not familiar with and it's different. Showing luke in mediation, fishing, a very tranquil way of living.

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    ScaryJBlige_

    I See Thread People

    Who's to say Luke's presence will no longer play a role in the upcoming movies? I think his impact in TLJ will resonate even stronger now.

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    ScaryJBlige_

    I See Thread People

  140. Kylo says earlier in the film "You're not doing this, the effort would kill you." when Rey first appears to him. So, it's more that he bought them time and died as a result of using an incredibly draining force power to do it.

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  142. I was thinking something similar while watching Rogue One and looking at the gigantic Jedi statue, on it's side in ruins, on Jedha. What need would the Jedi have of such a monument? Very decadent.

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    nick_nuckle

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  143. The logic of the last two Starwars films are completely senseless I stopped wasting my time trying to rationalize it

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  146. I think the fact some took to kylo's version is a testament to how great adam's kylo is on screen - they emphatize with him more, which as a filmmaker means they did a good job avoiding making the villain 1 dimensional.

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  149. I never thought of it like that. his lightsaber throw down twice..Great thread. ❤️ Lukes entire arc.

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