1. Exquisite Tweets from @solobasssteve, @Paul0Evans1

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    I wonder if anyone from the BPI has googled 'Streisand Effect', following the Pirate Bay traffic boost :)

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  2. @solobasssteve it's funny, though, how people who make a living in tech are so keen for creative people to be open with *their* IP, innit?

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  3. @Paul0Evans1 there are a lot of vested interests at work on either side. I have little love for the Pirate Bay, but even less for the BPI ;)

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    @Paul0Evans1 I'm not v inspired by anyone telling me what I 'should' do with my art, but less so with those who legislate to stop me...

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  4. @solobasssteve Sure, but cos BPI (& their ilk) are the only ones with the capacity to make one side of the argument doesn't make it wrong

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    @solobasssteve fact is, the whole social media mushroom has been financed by the generosity of people like your good self

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  5. @Paul0Evans1 the BPI's argument is deeply flawed, and based on intentionally misleading data. All down to lobbying spend...

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    @Paul0Evans1 well, by people who are willing to exchange the ability to sell ads against their art for 'free' hosting...

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  6. @solobasssteve it's a good deal deeper than that. Hardware. Bandwidth. When will the pirates start demanding Apple or Google's code?

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  7. @Paul0Evans1 it was a strategic decision, based on the desire for the content of the big labels to make iTunes/iPods fit their biz model.

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    @Paul0Evans1 the bandwidth argument is interesting as faster/cheaper interwebz has lead to a lot of music existing that couldn't have before

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    @Paul0Evans1 the biggest missing stat in all the economics is the incredible falling cost of making and distributing music...

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    @Paul0Evans1 it's orders of magnitude cheaper than 20 years ago - dwarfs any perceived loss of sales revenue. Democratises art-making.

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  8. @solobasssteve moral rights matter too. Why should anyone else be able to distribute your music on their own terms?

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  9. @Paul0Evans1 I don't think they 'should', but understanding why people would want to seems to not be part of the picture at the moment.

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    @Paul0Evans1 despite there being 100s of thousands of MP3s of mine out there in the wild, not one track is on bittorrent. Why is that? :)

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  10. @Paul0Evans1 but I still make more money that way that I would if everyone who ever downloaded it from my site bought it on CD on a label...

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    @Paul0Evans1 so I have more listeners, more money, lower overheads, free marketing...

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  11. @solobasssteve sure. You've adapted better than most - and your skills go beyond musicianship.

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  12. @Paul0Evans1 the web is massively biased in favour of people like me, just as the traditional record industry made what I do impossible...

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    @Paul0Evans1 it's not a matter of adapting. I am only able to do what I want to do because of the internet. No internet, no solobasssteve.

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  13. @solobasssteve sure. But is yours a universalisable (?) model? Why is the music biz more dominated by the well-connected than ever before?

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  14. @Paul0Evans1 music biz is still overwhelmingly dominated by corporate interests, there's just a visible, sustainable alternative now.

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    @Paul0Evans1 the first question artists need to ask is 'how do we stop losing money - the record biz has NEVER worked for most of us'.

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    @Paul0Evans1 the history of the recording industry has been told thru the eyes of lottery winners, mythologising their own luck/compromise

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    @Paul0Evans1 most of our perceptions of - and the language around - 'success' in music are a hyper-modernist construct. Bigger/better/faster

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  15. @solobasssteve arguing against piracy & for tech corps to contribute isn't the same as propping up existing music biz tho.

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  16. @Paul0Evans1 no, though I'd argue that 'piracy' is a nonsense term in and of itself. Etymologically detached from any real meaning.

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  17. @solobasssteve the sustainable viable alternative would be *more* sustainable if there is a cultural expectation that *some* payment

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  18. @Paul0Evans1 I'd rather apple made it possible to get music from bandcamp into an iphone/ipad than started paying a levy to the PRS...

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    @Paul0Evans1 in real terms, that would benefit people like my about 100x as much. If not more.

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    @Paul0Evans1 artists need to make a case for why our artistic process and output is worth investing in. 'deserving it' isn't enough.

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    @Paul0Evans1 and threatening to prosecute people who love your music is a great way to make them not love your music...

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  19. @solobasssteve But that is going to be *so* hard when your work is largely appropriated to sell new platforms. Classic free-rider problem

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    @solobasssteve BSkyB are the perfect example. Ā£1bn+ profits almost entirely from distribution performing other people's work.

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  20. @Paul0Evans1 I'd MUCH rather they were taxed to help the poor than levied to line Sting's pockets.

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  21. @solobasssteve no-one personally threatens anyone. I don't understand that argument.

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  22. @Paul0Evans1 if the threat of prosecution is for downloading music, the people who make the music are the public face of that...

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  23. @solobasssteve why not oblige the carrier to invest in content? That's always worked in the past. 80% of BBC money goes directly into progs.

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  24. @Paul0Evans1 investing in content is a wholly different concept from paying levies to collection agencies...

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    @Paul0Evans1 money not attached to specific songs/plays/performances going to collection agencies solidifies a cultural oligarchy

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  25. @solobasssteve it is at the moment. But imagine what a sustainable creative base would do to democratise production?

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    @solobasssteve Metallica were just stupid. The Beatles have exploited IP ruthlessly for decades without any backlash.

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  26. @Paul0Evans1 it'd be great. And the PRS are non-profit. It could happen. I'm less positive about ASCAP...

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    @Paul0Evans1 I have no idea why the entire Beatles canon isn't public domain at this point. All the recordings should be CC at least...

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  27. @solobasssteve that would be America's problem. Remember, national industry tax loopholes totally distort this.

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    @solobasssteve creative people don't seem to realise how being relaxed about IP weakens their hand in so many negotiations

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  28. @Paul0Evans1 not sure it's being 'relaxed' about IP, moreso seeing its manifestation as being different in ubiquitous vs scarce environments

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  29. @solobasssteve that view would be consistent with 100% inheritance tax (which I don't think I mind) but with one qualifier...

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    @solobasssteve apply 100% inheritance to every form of IP related profits. If you don't you effectively punish musicianship.

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  30. @Paul0Evans1 I like the idea of copyright being on a rolling 5 year term, renewable by the artist. Without renewal it becomes public domain.

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    @Paul0Evans1 the meaningful commercial life of *almost* all works of art is less than 5 years....

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    @Paul0Evans1 throwing it out there for other people to do fun things with would breathe life into latent art.

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  31. @solobasssteve all of this, though has to be seen in the wider dialectic of IP and even other forms of property.

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    @solobasssteve everyone bases decisions on the assumption that luvvies will volunteer/intern/play for free as 'promotion'

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  32. @Paul0Evans1 well some people do, but that's not an analog to understanding the distribution of ubiquitously replicable digitized recordings

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    @Paul0Evans1 if I turn up and play in your house, that's music. a MP3 isn't. It's the potential for the experience of music...

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  34. @Paul0Evans1 pint would be fabulous. Thanks so much. Really valuable discussion. x

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